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Das lebendige Kunstwerk<\/b><b>]<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[Dionisos o la sustancia-luz que se es su propio ocaso o se vuelve su propio ocaso; las bacantes]<\/span><\/p>\n\n<h1 lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Gespr\u00e4che in Jena<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>7<\/b><b>2<\/b><b>4<\/b><b>]<\/b> Noch ist aber dem Bewu\u00dftsein nur der absolute Geist, der dieses einfache Wesen und nicht als der Geist an ihm selbst ist, verraten, oder nur der <i>unmittelbare<\/i> Geist, der Geist der Natur. Sein selbstbewu\u00dftes Leben ist daher nur das Mysterium des Brotes und des Weins, der Ceres und des Bacchus, nicht der anderen, der eigentlich oberen G\u00f6tter, deren Individualit\u00e4t als wesentliches Moment das Selbstbewu\u00dftsein als solches in sich schlie\u00dft. Noch hat sich ihm also der Geist als <i>selbstbewu\u00dfter<\/i> Geist nicht geopfert, und das Mysterium des Brotes und Weins ist noch nicht Mysterium des Fleisches und Blutes. [527]<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00725\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00723\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Valencia<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>7<\/b><b>2<\/b><b>4<\/b><b>]<\/b> Pero todav\u00eda, lo que le queda delatado a la conciencia es solamente el esp\u00edritu absoluto que esta esencia [<i>Wesen<\/i>] simple es, pero no el esp\u00edritu absoluto que es \u00e9l en s\u00ed mismo como esp\u00edritu [es decir, en cuanto siendo \u00e9l en s\u00ed mismo como esp\u00edritu], o lo que es lo mismo: s\u00f3lo [le queda delatado] el esp\u00edritu <i>inmediato<\/i>, el esp\u00edritu de la naturaleza. Su vida autoconsciente [la vida autoconsciente de ese esp\u00edritu inmediato] es, por tanto, solamente el misterio del pan y del vino, de Ceres y Baco, no de los otros dioses, de los dioses propiamente superiores, cuya individualidad [<i>Indi<\/i><i>vidualit\u00e4t<\/i>] incluye en s\u00ed el momento esencial de la autoconciencia como tal. As\u00ed pues, [el esp\u00edritu] todav\u00eda no se ha sacrificado a \u00e9l [no se ha entregado a ese momento] como esp\u00edritu <i>autoconsciente<\/i>, y el misterio del pan y del vino no es todav\u00eda el misterio de la carne y la sangre X86X.<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078c0000000000000000_9178\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078c0000000000000000_9178-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078c0000000000000000_9178-1\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">Creo que aqu\u00ed Hegel se hace cr\u00edticamente eco del contenido de la elegia de H\u00f6lderlin \u00abPan y vino\u00bb, la conociera directamente o no.<\/span> <\/span><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Algunas aclaraciones<\/span><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>X<\/b><b>86<\/b><b>X =<\/b> Creo que aqu\u00ed Hegel se hace cr\u00edticamente eco del contenido de la elegia de H\u00f6lderlin \u00abPan y vino\u00bb, la conociera directamente o no.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00725\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00723\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Madrid<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>7<\/b><b>2<\/b><b>4<\/b><b>]<\/b> Pero lo que se le ha delatado a la conciencia es todav\u00eda, \u00fanicamente, el esp\u00edritu absoluto que es esta esencia simple, y no el esp\u00edritu en cuanto esp\u00edritu en \u00e9l mismo, o s\u00f3lo el esp\u00edritu <i>inmediato<\/i>, el esp\u00edritu de la naturaleza. Por eso, su vida autoconsciente es s\u00f3lo el misterio del pan y del vino, de Ceres y de Baco, no de los otros dioses, los que est\u00e1n propiamente en lo alto, cuya individualidad encierra dentro de s\u00ed, como un momento esencial, a la autoconciencia en cuanto tal. El esp\u00edritu, entonces, no se ha sacrificado todav\u00eda a ella como esp\u00edritu <i>autoconsciente<\/i>, y el misterio del pan y del vino no es todav\u00eda el misterio de la carne y de la sangre.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00725\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00723\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversations in Washington<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>7<\/b><b>2<\/b><b>4<\/b><b>]<\/b> [724]<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078c0000000000000000_9178\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078c0000000000000000_9178-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078c0000000000000000_9178-2\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\">We kept the numeration given by the editor in the printed edition<\/span> But what has been betrayed to consciousness is still only absolute spirit, the spirit of this simple essence and not the spirit in its own self as spirit; or, what has been betrayed is only <i>immediate<\/i> spirit, the spirit of nature. Its self-conscious life is thus only the mystery of bread and wine, of Ceres and Bacchus, not that of the other genuinely higher gods, whose individuality encompasses within itself self-consciousness as such as an essential moment. Spirit as <i>self-conscious<\/i> spirit has not yet sacrificed itself to it, and the mystery of bread and wine is not yet the mystery of flesh and blood.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00725\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00723\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en el <em>Atrium<\/em><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-7044\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"242\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg 242w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-827x1024.jpg 827w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-768x951.jpg 768w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-300x371.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church.jpg 1018w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 242px) 100vw, 242px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00725\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00723\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"wiki_cats":[18],"wiki_tags":[],"class_list":["post-9178","yada_wiki","type-yada_wiki","status-publish","hentry","wiki_cats-fenomenologia"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.8 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Parte de: C. 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