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{"id":8911,"date":"2024-08-19T23:40:33","date_gmt":"2024-08-19T23:40:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/?post_type=yada_wiki&#038;p=8911"},"modified":"2024-08-20T00:59:30","modified_gmt":"2024-08-20T00:59:30","slug":"gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00813","status":"publish","type":"yada_wiki","link":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00813\/","title":{"rendered":"Gespr\u00e4che in der D\u00e4mmerung 00813"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 18pt;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><span style=\"color: #000080;\">Beilage<\/span> \/ <span style=\"color: #993300;\">Ap\u00e9ndices<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><span style=\"color: #000080;\">Drei Fragmente aus Vorarbeiten<\/span> \/ <span style=\"color: #993300;\">Tres fragmentos preparatorios para el texto<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><span style=\"color: #000080;\">A. Das absolute Wissen<\/span> \/ <span style=\"color: #993300;\">A. El saber absoluto<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[Fragmento A]<\/span><\/p>\n\n<h1 lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Gespr\u00e4che in Jena<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>A. Das absolute Wissen<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>81<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>]<\/b> [437]<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911-1\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">Wir orientieren uns bei der Seitennummerierung nicht mehr an der Suhrkamp-Ausgabe, sondern an der Felix Meiner-Ausgabe von 1980<\/span> Das absolute Wissen tritt so zuerst als gesetzgebende Vernunft auf; in dem Begriffe der sittlichen Substanz selbst ist keine Unterscheidung des Bewu\u00dftseins und des Ansichseins; denn das reine Denken des reinen Denkens, ist an sich, oder sich selbst gleiche Substanz, und ebenso wohl ist es Bewu\u00dftsein. Damit aber da\u00df eine Bestimmtheit an dieser Substanz hervortritt, und die erste ist, wie sich ergibt, da\u00df<i> Gesetze<\/i> gegeben werden, so tritt auch der Unterschied zwischen dem Bewu\u00dftsein, und dem Ansich ein; di\u00df Ansich aber ist die sittliche Substanz selbst, oder das absolute Bewu\u00dftsein;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00814\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00812\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Valencia<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt;\"><b>Tres Fragmentos de textos preparatorios para el texto de la <i>Fenomenolog\u00eda del esp\u00edritu<\/i><\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>A. El saber absoluto <\/b><b>X1X<\/b><sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911-2\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\"><i>Vide infra<\/i> <b>Algunas aclaraciones <a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00813\/#algunas-aclaraciones\">X1X<\/a><\/b>.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>81<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>]<\/b> El saber absoluto se presenta, pues, primero, como raz\u00f3n dadora de normas, como raz\u00f3n legisladora; en el concepto de sustancia \u00e9tica misma no se da distinci\u00f3n ninguna entre conciencia y ser-en-s\u00ed. Pues el puro pensamiento del puro pensamiento es en s\u00ed, o lo que es lo mismo: es la sustancia igual a s\u00ed misma, y es asimismo conciencia. Pero al surgir una determinidad en esa sustancia, y la primera determinidad es (como hemos obtenido) que se establecen <i>leyes<\/i>, surge tambi\u00e9n una diferencia entre la <i>conciencia<\/i> y el <i>en-s<\/i><i>\u00ed<\/i>; y este en-s\u00ed es la sustancia \u00e9tica misma, o la conciencia absoluta;<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Algunas aclaraciones<\/span><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>X<\/b><b>1<\/b><b>X =<\/b> Por los papeles de Hegel en que aparece el fragmento, tanto Bonsiepen y Heede (p\u00e1g. 465), como Wesels y Clairmont (p\u00e1g. 533) coinciden en dar como probable fecha de la redacci\u00f3n de este fragmento los primeros d\u00edas de mayo de 1805 o quiz\u00e1 antes, pero en todo caso el fragmento hubo de redactarse no despu\u00e9s de agosto de 1805.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00814\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00812\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Madrid<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt;\"><b>T<\/b><b>res fragmentos preparatorios X1X<\/b><sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"3\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911-3\">3<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911-3\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"3\"><i>Vide infra<\/i> <b>Algunas aclaraciones <a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00813\/#x1x\">X1X<\/a><\/b>.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>A. El saber absoluto X2X<\/b><sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"4\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911-4\">4<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911-4\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"4\"><i>Vide infra<\/i> <b>Algunas aclaraciones X<\/b><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00813\/#x2x\"><b>2<\/b><\/a><b>X<\/b>.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>81<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>]<\/b>\u00a0As\u00ed, el saber absoluto entra primero en escena como raz\u00f3n que establece leyes; en el concepto mismo de substancia \u00e9tica no hay ninguna diferenciaci\u00f3n entra la conciencia y el ser-en-s\u00ed; pues el puro pensar del puro pensar es en s\u00ed, o sea, substancia igual a s\u00ed misma, y en la misma medida es tambi\u00e9n conciencia. Pero, con que brote una determinidad en esa substancia, y la primera determinidad, seg\u00fan ha resultado, es que se establecen <i>leyes<\/i>, hace entrada tambi\u00e9n la diferencia entre la conciencia y lo en-s\u00ed; mas esto en-s\u00ed es la substancia \u00e9tica misma, o la conciencia absoluta;<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Algunas aclaraciones<\/span><\/h2>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">X1X<\/span><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">El car\u00e1cter fragmentario y provisional de estos textos los hace m\u00e1s el\u00edpticos de lo ya habitual en el Hegel de la <i>Fenomenolog\u00eda<\/i>. Van entre corchetes palabras aclaratorias que, creo, pueden completar m\u00ednimamente el texto.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">X2X<\/span><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">El manuscrito es una hoja en cuarto, en una de cuyas caras se encuentra, como escrito en limpio, el texto \u00abEl saber absoluto\u00bb, y en otra, el texto siguiente, \u00abDerecho divino\u00bb, junto a un esbozo parcial para una carta a J. H. Voss. La respuesta de \u00e9ste es de agosto de 1805; dado que se encuentran otros esbozos para esa carta en un papel que anuncia un retraso en el comienzo de sus lecciones del semestre de verano, los editores conjeturan que este fragmento y el siguiente fueron escritos entre mayo y agosto de 1805.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00814\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00812\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversations in Washington<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 18pt;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Appendix<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Three Fragments from Preliminary Work<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">A. <span lang=\"en-US\">Absolute know<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">ing<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>81<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>]<\/b> [813]<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"5\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911-5\">5<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_8911-5\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"5\">We add this paragraphs continuing the numeration given by the editor in the printed edition<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\"> Absolute know<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">ing<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\"> first appears as <\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">Law-Giving Reason<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">; in the concept of <\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">ethical<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\"> substance itself there is no distinction between consciousness and being-in-itself.<\/span> <span lang=\"en-US\">Since<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\"> the pure <\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">thinking<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\"> of pure <\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">thinking<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\"> is in itself, <\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">that is,<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\"> substance equal to itself, and <\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">to the same extent it is also <\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">consciousness. But in order for a determinat<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">eness<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\"> to emerge in this substance, and the first <\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">determinateness<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\"> is, as it turns out, that <\/span><span lang=\"en-US\"><i>laws<\/i><\/span><span lang=\"en-US\"> are given, the difference between consciousness and the in-itself also arises; this in-itself, however, is the <\/span><span lang=\"en-US\">ethical<\/span><span lang=\"en-US\"> substance itself, or absolute consciousness;<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00814\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00812\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en el <em>Atrium<\/em><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-7044\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"242\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg 242w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-827x1024.jpg 827w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-768x951.jpg 768w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-300x371.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church.jpg 1018w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 242px) 100vw, 242px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00814\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00812\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"wiki_cats":[18],"wiki_tags":[],"class_list":["post-8911","yada_wiki","type-yada_wiki","status-publish","hentry","wiki_cats-fenomenologia"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.8 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Beilage \/ Ap\u00e9ndices Drei Fragmente aus Vorarbeiten \/ Tres fragmentos preparatorios para el texto A. 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