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{"id":8572,"date":"2024-08-09T22:56:40","date_gmt":"2024-08-09T22:56:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/?post_type=yada_wiki&#038;p=8572"},"modified":"2024-08-09T23:03:55","modified_gmt":"2024-08-09T23:03:55","slug":"gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00673","status":"publish","type":"yada_wiki","link":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00673\/","title":{"rendered":"Gespr\u00e4che in der D\u00e4mmerung 00673"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Parte de:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">C. (CC.) La religi\u00f3n [C. (CC.) Die Religion] \/ <b>VII: La religi\u00f3n <\/b><b>[<\/b><b>Die Religion<\/b><b>]<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[Conciencia del Ser absoluto; repaso de las figuras anteriores; el <i>self<\/i> consciente de s\u00ed mismo en cuanto destino de la esencialidad y de la realidad]<\/span><\/p>\n\n<h1 lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Gespr\u00e4che in Jena<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>67<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>]<\/b> Schon das <i>Bewu\u00dftsein<\/i> wird, insofern es <i>Verstand<\/i> ist, Bewu\u00dftsein des <i>\u00dcbersinnlichen<\/i> oder <i>Inneren<\/i> des gegenst\u00e4ndlichen Daseins. Aber das \u00dcbersinnliche, Ewige, oder wie man es sonst nennen mag, ist <i>selbstlos<\/i>, es ist nur erst das <i>Allgemeine<\/i>, das noch weit entfernt ist, der sich als Geist wissende Geist zu sein. \u2013 Alsdann war das <i>Selbstbewu\u00dftsein<\/i>, das in der Gestalt des <i>ungl\u00fccklichen<\/i> Bewu\u00dftseins seine Vollendung hat, nur der sich zur Gegenst\u00e4ndlichkeit wieder herausringende, aber sie nicht erreichende <i>Schmerz<\/i> des Geistes. Die Einheit des <i>einzelnen<\/i> Selbstbewu\u00dftseins und seines unwandelbaren <i>Wesens<\/i>, zu der jenes sich bringt, bleibt daher ein <i>Jenseits<\/i> desselben. \u2013 Das unmittelbare Dasein der <i>Vernunft<\/i>, die f\u00fcr uns aus jenem Schmerz hervorging, und ihre eigent\u00fcmlichen Gestalten haben keine Religion, weil das Selbstbewu\u00dftsein derselben <i>sich<\/i> in der <i>unmittelbaren<\/i> Gegenwart wei\u00df oder sucht.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00674\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00672\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Valencia<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>67<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>]<\/b> Ya la conciencia X5X,<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007d60000000000000000_8572\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007d60000000000000000_8572-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007d60000000000000000_8572-1\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">El autor hace a continuaci\u00f3n un repaso de las formas en que en las figuras analizadas en el presente libro el Ser absoluto ha sido objeto para la conciencia.<\/span> en cuanto es entendimiento [cap. III], es <i>conciencia<\/i> de lo <i>suprasensible<\/i> o del <i>interior<\/i> de la existencia objetiva [del interior de lo que se da ah\u00ed como objeto, del interior del exterior, por tanto]. Pero lo suprasensible, lo eterno, o como se lo quiera llamar, <i>carece<\/i> aqu\u00ed de <i>self<\/i> o <i>s\u00ed-mismo<\/i>; empieza siendo por de pronto s\u00f3lo lo <i>universal<\/i>, que est\u00e1 bien lejos de ser el esp\u00edritu que se sabe como esp\u00edritu. \u2014 Y despu\u00e9s, la autoconciencia que encuentra su consumaci\u00f3n en la figura o forma de la conciencia <i>desgraciada<\/i> [cap. IV, B], no es sino el<i> dolor<\/i> del esp\u00edritu que anda pugnando y peleando por abrirse paso a s\u00ed mismo hacia la objetividad [por tenerse \u00e9l ah\u00ed delante como esp\u00edritu], pero que todav\u00eda no la ha alcanzado. La unidad de la autoconciencia individual [<i>einzelnes<\/i>] y de su esencia inmutable [la unidad de la autoconciencia individual y de lo Inmutable], a la que esa autoconciencia quiere traerse a s\u00ed misma, sigue siendo, por tanto, un <i>m\u00e1s all\u00e1<\/i> de esa autoconciencia. \u2014 Y la existencia inmediata de la <i>raz\u00f3n<\/i> [cap. V], que a nosotros se nos produjo desde aquel dolor [que a nosotros nos result\u00f3, o nos surgi\u00f3 de aquel dolor], y las peculiares figuras [de la raz\u00f3n], no tienen religi\u00f3n alguna, porque la autoconciencia de esas figuras se sabe <i>a s\u00ed misma<\/i> [o se sab\u00eda a s\u00ed misma] y se busca [o se buscaba] a s\u00ed misma en la actualidad <i>inmediata<\/i> [o en la presencia inmediata].<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Algunas aclaraciones<\/span><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>X<\/b><b>5<\/b><b>X =<\/b> El autor hace a continuaci\u00f3n un repaso de las formas en que en las figuras analizadas en el presente libro el Ser absoluto ha sido objeto para la conciencia.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00674\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00672\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Madrid<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>673<\/b><b>]<\/b> Ya la <i>conciencia<\/i>, en la medida en que es <i>entendimiento<\/i>, llega a ser conciencia de lo <i>suprasensible<\/i>, o de lo <i>inte<\/i><i>rn<\/i><i>o<\/i> de la existencia objetual. Pero lo suprasensible, o lo eterno, o comoquiera que se lo denomine, <i>carece de s\u00ed-mismo<\/i>; no es, de primeras, m\u00e1s que lo <i>universal<\/i> que todav\u00eda queda muy alejado de ser el esp\u00edritu que se sabe como esp\u00edritu. \u2014 En consecuencia, la <i>autoconciencia<\/i> que alcanzaba su compleci\u00f3n en la figura de la conciencia desdichada era s\u00f3lo el dolor del esp\u00edritu, dolor que pugnaba por salir de nuevo a la objetualidad, pero sin alcanzarla. Por eso, la unidad de la autoconciencia <i>singular<\/i> y de su <i>esencia<\/i> inmutable a la que esa conciencia desdichada se transportaba segu\u00eda siendo algo <i>m\u00e1s all\u00e1<\/i> de ella. \u2014 La <i>raz\u00f3n<\/i> inmediatamente ah\u00ed, que brotaba para nosotros a partir de aquel dolor, y la figuras que le son peculiares, no tienen ninguna religi\u00f3n, porque la autoconciencia de ellas se sabe, o se busca, en el presente <i>inmediato<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00674\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00672\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversations in Washington<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>67<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>]<\/b> [673]<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007d60000000000000000_8572\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007d60000000000000000_8572-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007d60000000000000000_8572-2\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\">We kept the numeration given by the editor in the printed edition<\/span> <i>Consciousness<\/i>, to the extent that it is <i>the understanding<\/i>, already becomes consciousness of the <i>supersensible<\/i>, or consciousness of the <i>inner<\/i> of objective existence. However, the supersensible, the eternal, or whatever else one may call it, is <i>devoid of self<\/i>.<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"3\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007d60000000000000000_8572\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007d60000000000000000_8572-3\">3<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007d60000000000000000_8572-3\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"3\"><i>selbstlos<\/i><\/span> Initially, it is only the <i>universal<\/i> which is still some distance removed from spirit knowing itself as spirit. \u2013 Following that was <i>self-consciousness<\/i>, which had its completion in the shape of the <i>unhappy<\/i> consciousness, which itself is only the <i>grief<\/i> of spirit as it struggled and then failed to force itself outwards again towards objectivity. The unity of <i>singular self-consciousness<\/i> with what is its unchangeable <i>essence<\/i>, towards which singular self-consciousness brings itself, thus remains an <i>other-worldly<\/i> beyond for self-consciousness. \u2013 Both the immediate existence of <i>reason<\/i>, which emerged for us from out of that grief, and reason\u2019s own distinctive shapes have no religion, because the self-consciousness of those shapes knows or seeks <i>itself<\/i> in the <i>immediate<\/i> present.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00674\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00672\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en el <em>Atrium<\/em><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-7044\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"242\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg 242w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-827x1024.jpg 827w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-768x951.jpg 768w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-300x371.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church.jpg 1018w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 242px) 100vw, 242px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00674\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00672\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"wiki_cats":[18],"wiki_tags":[],"class_list":["post-8572","yada_wiki","type-yada_wiki","status-publish","hentry","wiki_cats-fenomenologia"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.10 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Parte de: C. 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