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diet\u00e9tico perjudicial a la salud, \u00bfqu\u00e9 otra cosa ha de ser la primera sino hacerle cambiar el r\u00e9gimen de vida? Y al que quiera obedecer, prescribirle ya lo dem\u00e1s. Mas del que no quiere, ha de huir de darle consejos un var\u00f3n m\u00e9dico, \u2014tal creer\u00eda yo. Pero a quien continuara d\u00e1ndoselos, tendr\u00edalo por lo contrario: por cobarde y medicastro. Lo mismo, aun respecto de la Ciudad X*aX,<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007770000000000000000_7457\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_7457-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_7457-1\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">Podemos encontrar otras analog\u00edas entre el consejero pol\u00edtico y el m\u00e9dico en <i>Rep\u00fablica<\/i> 425e y <i>Leyes<\/i> 720a ss.<\/span> \u2014tanto que el se\u00f1or de ella sea uno como muchos. Si, como es debido, yendo por el recto camino el r\u00e9gimen pol\u00edtico se le aconsejara algo conveniente, es propio <b>[330e]<\/b> de hombre razonable darle tal consejo. Empero, a r\u00e9gimen que ande absolutamente fuera del correcto, y en modo alguno quiera seguir sus huellas, mas comience por indicar al consejero que deje a tal r\u00e9gimen en paz y nada de \u00e9l mueva <b>[331a]<\/b> \u2014que si algo moviere dese por muerto\u2014, mandar\u00eda se le aconsejara \u2014someti\u00e9ndose a sus quereres y apetencias\u2014 la manera de continuar siendo tal, m\u00e1s dif\u00edcil, m\u00e1s breve y m\u00e1s duradera. A quien soportara hacer de consejero en esto tendr\u00edalo por cobarde; mas a quien no lo soportara, por todo un var\u00f3n. Por pensar yo as\u00ed, cuando alguien me pide consejo acerca de los asuntos m\u00e1s importantes de su vida \u2014cual adquisici\u00f3n de riquezas, cuidado del cuerpo o del alma\u2014, si <b>[331b]<\/b> me parece vive de ordinario seg\u00fan alguna norma o quiere, siguiendo mis consejos, obedecer a lo convenido, de buena gana le aconsejo y no cesar\u00eda de hacerlo s\u00f3lo por cumplir un deber. Empero, si no se me pide consejo o si es evidente que de modo alguno se obedecer\u00e1 al consejero, no ir\u00e9 espont\u00e1neamente a aconsejar a los tales, \u2014y menos a forzar a nadie, aunque fuera mi hijo. Mas dar\u00eda consejos a un esclavo y, si no los acepta, se los impondr\u00eda a la fuerza. Pero no creo sea piadoso forzar a padre o madre, \u2014a no ser que est\u00e9n enfermos <b>[331c]<\/b> de locura X*bX.<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007770000000000000000_7457\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_7457-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_7457-2\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\">A este respecto de la piedad filial, <i>vide<\/i> <i>Crit\u00f3n<\/i> 51c y <i>Leyes<\/i> 717b ss.<\/span> Mas si viven seg\u00fan un estilo de vida que a ellos les es agradable, mas no a m\u00ed, no hay que hacerse odioso en vano reprendi\u00e9ndolos, ni, mim\u00e1ndolos, someterse a sus apetencias, proporcion\u00e1ndoles satisfacciones tales que, caso de abrazarlas yo, no querr\u00eda vivir. Pues bien: de esa misma manera ha de vivir y pensar el sensato respecto de su Ciudad: si le pareciere que est\u00e1 no bellamente gobernada, si no va a <b>[331d]<\/b> hablar en vano ni a morir por hablar X*cX,<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"3\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007770000000000000000_7457\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_7457-3\">3<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_7457-3\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"3\"><i>Vide<\/i> <i>Carta<\/i> V 322b.<\/span> que hable. Empero, no hacer violencia a la patria trastornando el r\u00e9gimen cuando sin exilios y degollinas de varones no es posible mejorarla. Qu\u00e9dese tranquilo y pida a los dioses lo que sea bueno para s\u00ed y para la Ciudad.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/epistula-septima-pla010\/\">Perge ad sequentes caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/epistula-septima-pla008\/\">Redde ad prius caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/epistula-septima-pla000\/\">Redde ad indicem<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en el Atrium<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-7044\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"242\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg 242w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-827x1024.jpg 827w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-768x951.jpg 768w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-300x371.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church.jpg 1018w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 242px) 100vw, 242px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/epistula-septima-pla010\/\">Perge ad sequentes caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/epistula-septima-pla008\/\">Redde ad prius caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/epistula-septima-pla000\/\">Redde ad indicem<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"wiki_cats":[],"wiki_tags":[],"class_list":["post-7457","yada_wiki","type-yada_wiki","status-publish","hentry"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki\/7457","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/yada_wiki"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=7457"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki\/7457\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":9851,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki\/7457\/revisions\/9851"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=7457"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"wiki_cats","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/wiki_cats?post=7457"},{"taxonomy":"wiki_tags","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/wiki_tags?post=7457"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}