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La verdad de la Ilustraci\u00f3n [b. Die Wahrheit der Aufkl\u00e4rung]<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[Lo universal que ambas formas comparten; la utilidad]<\/span><\/p>\n\n<h1 lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Gespr\u00e4che in Jena<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>5<\/b><b>7<\/b><b>9<\/b><b>]<\/b> Das Wesen hat hier die <i>Entzweiung<\/i> erst so an ihm, da\u00df es zwei Arten der Betrachtungsweise angeh\u00f6rt; teils mu\u00df das [427] Wesen den Unterschied an ihm selbst haben, teils gehen eben darin die beiden Betrachtungsarten in eine zusammen; denn die abstrakten Momente des reinen Seins und des Negativen, wodurch sie sich unterscheiden, sind alsdann in dem Gegenstande dieser Betrachtungsweisen vereinigt. \u2013 Das gemeinschaftliche Allgemeine ist die Abstraktion des reinen Erzitterns in sich selbst oder des reinen Sich-selbst-Denkens. Diese einfache achsendrehende Bewegung mu\u00df sich auseinanderwerfen, weil sie selbst nur Bewegung ist, indem sie ihre Momente unterscheidet. Diese Unterscheidung der Momente l\u00e4\u00dft das Unbewegte als die leere H\u00fclse des reinen <i>Seins<\/i>, das kein wirkliches Denken, kein Leben in sich selbst mehr ist, zur\u00fcck; denn sie ist als der Unterschied aller Inhalt. Sie, die sich <i>au\u00dfer<\/i> jener <i>Einheit<\/i> setzt, ist aber hiermit der <i>nicht in sich zur\u00fcckkehrende<\/i> Wechsel der Momente, des <i>Ansich<\/i>\u2013 und des <i>F\u00fcr-ein-Anderes<\/i>\u2013 und des <i>F\u00fcrsich<\/i>seins, \u2013 die Wirklichkeit, wie sie Gegenstand f\u00fcr das wirkliche Bewu\u00dftsein der reinen Einsicht ist, \u2013 die <i>N\u00fctzlichkeit<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00580\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00578\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Valencia<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[Lo universal que ambas formas comparten; la utilidad]<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>5<\/b><b>7<\/b><b>9<\/b><b>]<\/b> [682]<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195-1\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">Ep\u00edgrafe: <i><b>Lo universal que ambas formas comparten; la utilidad<\/b><\/i>.<\/span> As\u00ed pues, es aqu\u00ed [es decir, en todo este asunto que estamos considerando, o en este punto a que hemos llegado] donde el ser [<i>Wesen<\/i>, el Ser absoluto] se muestra teniendo la disociaci\u00f3n [<i>Entzweiung<\/i>] en \u00e9l en t\u00e9rminos tales que ese ser [<i>Wesen<\/i>] pertenece [se muestra perteneciendo] a dos tipos o dos formas de considerar las cosas; en parte la esencia [<i>Wesen<\/i>] tiene que tener la diferencia [de ser y pensamiento] en ella misma, y en parte, precisamente en ello o precisamente por ello [precisamente en ese su tener la diferencia en ella, o por ese su tener su la diferencia en ella], ambos tipos de consideraci\u00f3n tienen que confluir en Uno; pues los momentos abstractos del puro ser [<i>Seyn<\/i>] y lo negativo [o los momentos abstractos que representan el puro ser, el puro estar ah\u00ed, y lo negativo] que es por lo que esas dos formas de considerar las cosas se distinguir\u00edan, est\u00e1n ya entonces unidos [los tenemos ahora unidos] en el objeto sobre el que ambas formas de consideraci\u00f3n tienen que versar. \u2014 Lo universal com\u00fan [lo universal que ambas formas de consideraci\u00f3n comparten, es decir, lo universal que las une] es la abstracci\u00f3n del puro temblar o vibrar sobre s\u00ed mismo [es decir, la abstracci\u00f3n del <i>cogito<\/i>, <i>sum<\/i>], del puro retemblar [<i>erzitter<\/i><i>n<\/i>] sobre s\u00ed [el pensar que ah\u00ed est\u00e1, el puro estar ah\u00ed, que no es sino pensamiento], o lo que es lo mismo: del puro pensarse a s\u00ed mismo. Pero este movimiento simple de giro [o de rotaci\u00f3n sobre s\u00ed] [que consiste, por decirlo as\u00ed, en estar rotando sobre s\u00ed y vibrando en s\u00ed un eje quieto] tiene que expulsarse a s\u00ed mismo y dividirse [arrojarse \u00e9l fuera deshaci\u00e9ndose o desmenuz\u00e1ndose en momentos], porque ese movimiento s\u00f3lo es movimiento distinguiendo sus momentos. [Y si, viendo las cosas desde ese rotar, pasamos ahora a la distinci\u00f3n de los momentos mediante la cual ese rotar se constituye, tenemos lo siguiente]. Esta distinci\u00f3n de los momentos [este distinguir momentos en que este movimiento consiste] es la que deja tras de s\u00ed lo inm\u00f3vil [es decir, es la que, como ingrediente ello del movimiento mismo, deja primero tras de s\u00ed el lado inm\u00f3vil, o eso inm\u00f3vil, o el momento de inmovilidad de ese movimiento de rotaci\u00f3n sobre s\u00ed], lo deja, digo, como la vac\u00eda c\u00e1scara del puro<i> ser<\/i> [<i>Seyn<\/i>], que ya no es realmente pensamiento, que ya no constituye pensamiento real [pues hemos quedado en que el puro <i>Seyn<\/i> consiste en su negaci\u00f3n], que ya no es en s\u00ed mismo vida alguna; pues tal distinguir, en cuanto diferencia es [aqu\u00ed] todo contenido [o es aqu\u00ed todo el contenido]. Tal dis- [683] \/tinguir, que se pone <i>fuera<\/i> de aquella <i>unidad<\/i> [es decir, que se expulsa \u00e9l a s\u00ed de tal confluir los momentos en Uno, o en su ponerse fuera de aquella unidad], no es, por tanto, sino el cambio o alternancia de los momentos que son el ser-<i>en-s\u00ed<\/i>, el<i> ser-para-otro<\/i> y el ser-<i>para-s\u00ed<\/i>, pero cambio o alternancia que <i>ya no retorna a s\u00ed<\/i> X192X<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195-2\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\">Cambio o alternancia o <i>Wechsel<\/i> que ya no se reflicte \u00e9l a su vez en s\u00ed.<\/span> [un rotar o un ir cambiando altern\u00e1ndose esos momentos, pero que, en esa alternancia, no retorna a s\u00ed X193X<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"3\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195-3\">3<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195-3\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"3\">El autor aclarar\u00e1 m\u00e1s abajo este no reflectirse en s\u00ed el movimiento de rotaci\u00f3n al que se est\u00e1 refiriendo (en el p\u00e1rrafo siguiente \u2014el <a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00580\/#conversaciones-en-valencia\"><b>00580<\/b><\/a>\u2014 se reparar\u00e1 en ello en nota <a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00580\/#x199x\"><b>X199X<\/b><\/a>).<\/span>] X194X;<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"4\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195-4\">4<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195-4\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"4\">Esto \u00faltimo se aclarar\u00e1 m\u00e1s abajo (en el p\u00e1rrafo siguiente \u2014el <a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00580\/#conversaciones-en-valencia\"><b>00580<\/b><\/a>\u2014 se reparar\u00e1 en ello en nota <a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00580\/#x199x\"><b>X199X<\/b><\/a>).<\/span> es la realidad [se trata, por tanto, de la realidad], tal como esa realidad es objeto para la conciencia real de la intelecci\u00f3n pura [de la pura <i>Einsicht<\/i>], o sea, es la <i>utilidad<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Algunas aclaraciones<\/span><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>X<\/b><b>192<\/b><b>X =<\/b> Cambio o alternancia o <i>Wechsel<\/i> que ya no se reflicte \u00e9l a su vez en s\u00ed.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>X<\/b><b>193<\/b><b>X =<\/b> El autor aclarar\u00e1 m\u00e1s abajo este no reflectirse en s\u00ed el movimiento de rotaci\u00f3n al que se est\u00e1 refiriendo (en el p\u00e1rrafo siguiente \u2014el <a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00580\/#conversaciones-en-valencia\"><b>00580<\/b><\/a>\u2014 se reparar\u00e1 en ello en nota <a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00580\/#x199x\"><b>X199X<\/b><\/a>).<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>X<\/b><b>194<\/b><b>X =<\/b> Esto \u00faltimo se aclarar\u00e1 m\u00e1s abajo (en el p\u00e1rrafo siguiente \u2014el <a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00580\/#conversaciones-en-valencia\"><b>00580<\/b><\/a>\u2014 se reparar\u00e1 en ello en nota <a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00580\/#x199x\"><b>X199X<\/b><\/a>).<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00580\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00578\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Madrid<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>5<\/b><b>7<\/b><b>9<\/b><b>]<\/b> La esencia tiene aqu\u00ed la <i>escisi\u00f3n<\/i> en ella, de tal manera que, de primeras, pertenece a dos tipos de modos de considerar; por una parte, la esencia tiene que tener en ella misma la diferencia; por otra, precisamente en ello se juntan y unifican los dos modos de considerar; pues los momentos abstractos del ser puro y de lo negativo, por los que esos modos se diferencian, est\u00e1n unificados, entonces, en el objeto de estos modos de considerar. \u2014 Lo universal com\u00fan es la abstracci\u00f3n del puro estremecerse dentro de s\u00ed mismo, o del puro pensarse a s\u00ed mismo. Este simple movimiento de rotaci\u00f3n tiene que saltar en pedazos, porque \u00e9l mismo s\u00f3lo es movimiento en tanto que diferencia sus momentos. Esta diferenciaci\u00f3n de los momentos deja atr\u00e1s lo inmoto como la c\u00e1scara vac\u00eda del <i>ser<\/i> puro que ya no e dentro de s\u00ed mismo ning\u00fan pensar efectivo, ni vida alguna; pues ella, en cuanto la diferencia, es todo contenido. Pero ella, la diferenciaci\u00f3n, que se pone <i>fuera<\/i> de aquella unidad, es, por ende, la alternancia de [677] los momentos que <i>no retoma dentro de s\u00ed<\/i>, la alternancia de lo <i>en-s\u00ed<\/i> y del <i>ser para otro<\/i> y del <i>ser-para-s\u00ed<\/i>; es la realidad efectiva tal como es objeto para la conciencia efectiva de la intelecci\u00f3n pura: la <i>utilidad<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00580\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00578\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversations in Washington<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>5<\/b><b>7<\/b><b>9<\/b><b>]<\/b> [579]<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"5\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195-5\">5<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_7195-5\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"5\">We kept the numeration given by the editor in the printed edition<\/span> The essence here has <i>estrangement<\/i> in itself in such a way that there are two ways of considering it. In part, the essence must have the difference in its own self, and in part, precisely by having the difference in its own self, both ways of considering it merge into <i>one <\/i>way, since the abstract moments of pure being and of the negative, within which they are differentiated, are united in the object of these two approaches. \u2013 The universal common to both is the abstraction of the pure trembling within itself, or pure thought-thinking-itself. This simple motion rotating on its own axis has [337] to pull itself apart into separate moments because it is only by distinguishing its moments that it is itself motion. This difference of the moments leaves the unmoved behind as the empty husk of pure <i>being<\/i> which is no longer actual thinking and which no longer has life within itself, for, as difference, it is all content. However, the movement, which posits itself as <i>external<\/i> to that <i>unity<\/i>, is thereby the flux of the moments which do <i>not return back into themselves<\/i>, those of <i>being-in-itself<\/i>, of <i>being-for-an-other<\/i>, and of <i>being-for-itself<\/i> \u2013 actuality in the way in which it is the object for the actual consciousness of pure insight \u2013 <i>utility<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00580\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00578\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en el <em>Atrium<\/em><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00580\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00578\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"wiki_cats":[18],"wiki_tags":[],"class_list":["post-7195","yada_wiki","type-yada_wiki","status-publish","hentry","wiki_cats-fenomenologia"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.8 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Parte de: C. 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