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{"id":6587,"date":"2024-04-07T20:29:43","date_gmt":"2024-04-07T20:29:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/?post_type=yada_wiki&#038;p=6587"},"modified":"2025-02-07T03:09:44","modified_gmt":"2025-02-07T03:09:44","slug":"hegel-uber-platon-017","status":"publish","type":"yada_wiki","link":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-017\/","title":{"rendered":"Hegel \u00fcber Platon 017"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-2384 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"103\" height=\"103\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-100x100.jpg 100w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round.jpg 485w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 103px) 100vw, 103px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Parte de:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Lecciones de Historia de la Filosof\u00eda [Vorlesungen \u00fcber die Geschichte der Philosophie] \/ Primera parte: La Filosof\u00eda Griega [Erster Teil: Griechische Philosophie] \/ Secci\u00f3n Primera: de Tales a Arist\u00f3teles [Erster Abschnitt. Von Thales bis Aristoteles] \/ Cap\u00edtulo 3: Plat\u00f3n y Arist\u00f3teles [Drittes Kapitel: Platon und Aristoteles] \/ <strong>A. Plat\u00f3n [A. Philosophie des Platon]<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-5323 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba-266x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"84\" height=\"95\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba-266x300.png 266w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba-300x338.png 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba.png 314w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 84px) 100vw, 84px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Vorlesungen im Atrium Philosophicum \u00a717<\/span><\/h1>\n<p lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Von einfachen Begriffen spricht Platon so: \u00bbIhre letzte Wahrheit ist Gott; jene sind abh\u00e4ngige, vor\u00fcbergehende Momente, ihre Wahrheit haben sie in Gott\u00ab, und von diesem spricht er zuerst; so ist er eine Vorstellung.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Um die Philosophie Platons aus seinen Dialogen aufzufassen, mu\u00df das, was der Vorstellung angeh\u00f6rt, insbesondere wo er f\u00fcr die Darstellung einer philosophischen Idee zu Mythen seine Zuflucht nimmt, von der philosophischen Idee selbst unterschieden werden, \u2013 und diese freie Weise des Platonischen Vortrags, von den tiefsten dialektischen Untersuchungen zur Vorstellung und Bildern, zur Schilderung von Szenen der Unterredung geistreicher Menschen, auch von Naturszenen \u00fcberzugehen.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Die mythische Darstellung der Philosopheme wird von Platon ger\u00fchmt; dies h\u00e4ngt mit der Form seiner Darstellung zusammen. Er l\u00e4\u00dft den Sokrates von gegebenen Veranlassungen ausgehen, von den bestimmten Vorstellungen der Individuen, von dem Kreise ihrer Ideen; so geht die Manier der Vorstellung (der Mythus) und die echt spekulative durcheinander. Die mythische Form der Platonischen Dialoge macht das Anziehende dieser Schriften aus, aber es ist eine Quelle von Mi\u00dfverst\u00e4ndnissen; es ist schon eins, wenn man diese Mythen f\u00fcr das Vortrefflichste h\u00e4lt. Viele Philosopheme sind durch die mythische Darstellung n\u00e4hergebracht; das ist nicht die wahrhafte Weise der Darstellung. Die Philosopheme sind Gedanken, m\u00fcssen, um rein zu sein, als solche vorgetragen werden. Der Mythus ist immer eine Darstellung, die sich sinnlicher Weise bediene, sinnliche [29] Bilder hereinbringt, die f\u00fcr die Vorstellung zugerichtet sind, nicht f\u00fcr den Gedanken; es ist eine Ohnmacht des Gedankens, der f\u00fcr sich sich noch nicht festzuhalten wei\u00df, nicht auszukommen wei\u00df. Die mythische Darstellung, als \u00e4lter, ist Darstellung, wo der Gedanke noch nicht frei ist: sie ist Verunreinigung des Gedankens durch sinnliche Gestalt; diese kann nicht ausdr\u00fccken, was der Gedanke will. Es ist Reiz, Weise anzulocken, sich mit Inhalt zu besch\u00e4ftigen. Es ist etwas P\u00e4dagogisches. Die Mythe geh\u00f6rt zur P\u00e4dagogie des Menschengeschlechts. Ist der Begriff erwachsen, so bedarf er derselben nicht mehr. Oft sagt Platon, es sei schwer, sich \u00fcber diesen Gegenstand auszulassen, er wolle daher einen Mythus aufstellen; leichter ist dies allerdings.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-018\/#vorlesungen-im-atrium-philosophicum-18\"><span lang=\"de-DE\">Zum n\u00e4chsten Fragment gehen<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-016\/#vorlesungen-im-atrium-philosophicum-16\"><span lang=\"de-DE\">Zum vorherigen Fragment gehen<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-017\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Zum Anfang dieser Seite<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-index\/\"><span lang=\"de-DE\">Zum Index<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h1><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Prael<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0113<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">cti<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u014d<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">n<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0113<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">s in <\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0100<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">tri<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u014d<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\"> Philosophic<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u014d \u00a717<\/span><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><span lang=\"es-ES\">Plat\u00f3n afirma<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">, refi<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">r<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">i\u00e9ndose a los conceptos simples <\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">[<\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\"><i>einfachen Begriffen<\/i><\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">]<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">, que <\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">\u00ab<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">su \u00faltima verdad est\u00e1 en Dios; estos [los conceptos simples] son momentos transitorios dependientes<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\"> cuya verdad \u00faltima debe buscarse en Dios<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">\u00bb<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">; al hablar primeramente de \u00e9ste, lo reduce a una mera <\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">idea [<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\"><i>Vorstellung<\/i><\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">]<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><span lang=\"es-ES\">Para poder interpretar la filosof\u00eda de Plat\u00f3n en sus di\u00e1logos, especialmente cuando \u00e9sta se refugia en mitos para la representaci\u00f3n de una idea filos\u00f3fica, <\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">debemos distinguir <\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">lo que<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\"> pertenece a la imaginaci\u00f3n <\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">y <\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">a<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\"> la idea filos\u00f3fica propiamente dicha. Debemos acostumbrarnos a este modo lib\u00e9rrimo del discurso plat\u00f3nico que oscila de las m\u00e1s profundas investigaciones dial\u00e9cticas a la imaginaci\u00f3n e im\u00e1genes, de la descripci\u00f3n de escenas de las conversaciones de los m\u00e1s sesudos interlocutores a escenas de la naturaleza.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><span lang=\"de-DE\">Plat\u00f3n sublima la representaci\u00f3n m\u00edtica de ideas filos\u00f3ficas, <\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">e<\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">sto est\u00e1 relacionado con la forma de su representaci\u00f3n. En sus escritos permite al personaje de S\u00f3crate<\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">s que parte de unas circunstancia dadas, se mueva a las ideas espec\u00edficas de sus interlocutores al c\u00edrculo de sus ideas. Con ello el estilo de la <\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">(el mito) y <\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">el estilo<\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\"> genuinamente especulativ<\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">o se confunden<\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">.<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\"> Por tanto, por mucho que se ensalce la exposici\u00f3n m\u00edtica de los filosofemas plat\u00f3nicos y por mucho que esto constituya el encanto de sus di\u00e1logos, es innegable que es, al mismo tiempo, una fuente de equ\u00edvocos y oscuridades, los cuales empiezan ya cuando se considera estos mitos como lo mejor de la doctrina de Plat\u00f3n. Es cierto que muchos filosofemas resultan m\u00e1s f\u00e1ciles de comprender gracias a la exposici\u00f3n m\u00edtica, pero esto no quiere decir que sea \u00e9ste el verdadero modo de exponer la filosof\u00eda; los filosofemas son pensamientos que, para ser puros, deben exponerse como tales y no de otro modo. El mito es siempre una exposici\u00f3n mezclada, como todas las exposiciones antiguas, con im\u00e1genes dirigidas a los sentidos y aderezadas para la representaci\u00f3n, y no para el pensamiento; lo cual no indica sino la impotencia del pensamiento mismo, que a\u00fan no sabe andar sin andaderas y que no es a\u00fan, por tanto, un pensamien<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">to libre. El mito forma parte de la pedagog\u00eda del g\u00e9nero hum<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">ano, en cuanto que la induce y la tienta a ocuparse del contenido de las cosas; pero, como impurificaci\u00f3n que es del pensamiento mediante formas y figuras relacionadas con los sentidos, no puede expresar lo que el pensamiento quiere. El concepto adulto no necesita ya apoyarse en el mito. Plat\u00f3n dice con frecuencia que es dif\u00edcil expresar tal o cual objeto y que, por ello, recurrir\u00e1 a la ayuda de un mito; y no cabe duda de que esto es m\u00e1s f\u00e1cil.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-018\/#praelectiones-in-atrio-philosophico-18\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Perge ad sequ<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0113<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">ns caput<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-016\/#praelectiones-in-atrio-philosophico-16\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Redde ad prius caput<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-017\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Perge ad initium paginae huius<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-index\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Perge ad indicem<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Lectures at the Atrium Philosophicum \u00a717<\/span><\/h1>\n<p lang=\"en-GB\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Plato speaks of simple concepts as follows: \u201cTheir ultimate truth is God; those are dependent, transitory moments, they have their truth in God,\u201d and in this first mention of God by Plato, He is made a mere idea<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">In order to understand Plato\u2019s philosophy from his dialogues, what belongs to the imagination, especially where he takes refuge in myths for the representation of a philosophical idea, must be distinguished from the philosophical idea itself \u2013 and this free manner of Plato\u2019s discourse, from the deepest dialectical investigations to imagination and images, to the description of scenes of the conversation of intelligent people, also of scenes from nature.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-US\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Plato praises the mythical representation of philosophical ideas; this is connected with the form of his representation. He lets Socrates start from given circumstances, from the specific ideas of individuals, from the circle of their ideas; thus the manner of representation (the myth) and the genuinely speculative are confused. <span lang=\"en-GB\">However much, therefore, Plato\u2019s mythical presentation of Philosophy is praised, and however attractive it is in his Dialogues, it yet proves a source of misapprehensions; and it is one of these misapprehensions, if Plato\u2019s myths are held to be what is most excellent in his philosophy. Many propositions, it is true, are made more easily intelligible by being presented in mythical form; nevertheless, hat is not the true way of presenting them; propositions are thoughts which, in order to be pure, must be brought forward as such.<\/span> <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">The myth is always a mode of representation which, as belonging to an earlier stage, introduces sensuous images, which are directed to imagination, not to thought; in this, however, the activity of thought is suspended, it cannot yet establish itself by its own power, and so is not yet free. The myth belongs to the pedagogic stage of the human race, since it entices and allures men to occupy themselves with the content; but as it takes away from the purity of thought through sensuous forms, it cannot express the meaning of Thought. When the Notion attains its full development, it has no more need of the myth. 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