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{"id":6505,"date":"2024-04-01T14:49:52","date_gmt":"2024-04-01T14:49:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/?post_type=yada_wiki&#038;p=6505"},"modified":"2025-02-07T03:04:40","modified_gmt":"2025-02-07T03:04:40","slug":"hegel-uber-platon-016","status":"publish","type":"yada_wiki","link":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-016\/","title":{"rendered":"Hegel \u00fcber Platon 016"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-2384 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"103\" height=\"103\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-100x100.jpg 100w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round.jpg 485w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 103px) 100vw, 103px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Parte de:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Lecciones de Historia de la Filosof\u00eda [Vorlesungen \u00fcber die Geschichte der Philosophie] \/ Primera parte: La Filosof\u00eda Griega [Erster Teil: Griechische Philosophie] \/ Secci\u00f3n Primera: de Tales a Arist\u00f3teles [Erster Abschnitt. Von Thales bis Aristoteles] \/ Cap\u00edtulo 3: Plat\u00f3n y Arist\u00f3teles [Drittes Kapitel: Platon und Aristoteles] \/ <strong>A. Plat\u00f3n [A. Philosophie des Platon]<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-5323 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba-266x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"84\" height=\"95\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba-266x300.png 266w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba-300x338.png 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba.png 314w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 84px) 100vw, 84px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n<h1><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Vorlesungen im Atrium Philosophicum \u00a716<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Dies in Beziehung aufs Auffassen betrachtet, so geschieht es, um dieser beiden Umst\u00e4nde willen, da\u00df entweder zuviel oder zuwenig in Platons Philosophie gefunden wird. \u03b1) Zuviel finden die \u00c4lteren, sogenannten Neuplatoniker, welche \u03b1\u03b1) teils, wie sie die griechische Mythologie allegorisierten, sie als einen Ausdrucks von Ideen darstellten (was die Mythen allerdings sind), ebenso die Ideen in den Platonischen Mythen erst herausgehoben, wodurch sie die Mythen erst zu Philosophemen machten; denn darin besteht das Verdienst der Philosophie, da\u00df das Wahre in der Form des Begriffes ist, \u2013 \u03b2\u03b2) teils was in der Form des Begriffes bei Platon ist, so f\u00fcr den Ausdruck des absoluten Wesens (die Wesenlehre im <i>Parmenides<\/i> f\u00fcr Erkenntnis Gottes) nahmen, da\u00df Platon selbst es nicht davon unterschieden habe. Es ist in den Platonischen reinen Begriffen nicht die Vorstellung als solche aufgehoben oder nicht gesagt, da\u00df diese Begriffe ihr Wesen sind, oder sie sind mehr nicht als eine Vorstellung f\u00fcr Platon, nicht Wesen. \u03b2) Zuwenig die Neueren besonders, denn diese hingen sich vorz\u00fcglich an die Seite der Vorstellung, sahen Realit\u00e4t in der Vorstellung. Was in Platon [28] Begriffenes oder rein Spekulatives vorkommt, gilt ihnen f\u00fcr ein Herumtreiben in abstrakten logischen Begriffen oder f\u00fcr leere Spitzfindigkeiten, dagegen dasjenige als Philosophem, was in der Weise der Vorstellung ausgesprochen ist. So finden wir bei Tennemann (Bd. II, S. 376) und anderen eine steife Zur\u00fcckf\u00fchrung der Platonischen Philosophie auf die Formen unserer vormaligen Metaphysik, z.B. der Ursachen, der Beweise vom Dasein Gottes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-017\/#vorlesungen-im-atrium-philosophicum-17\"><span lang=\"de-DE\">Zum n\u00e4chsten Fragment gehen<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-015\/#vorlesungen-im-atrium-philosophicum-15\"><span lang=\"de-DE\">Zum vorherigen Fragment gehen<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-016\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Zum Anfang dieser Seite<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-index\/\"><span lang=\"de-DE\">Zum Index<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Prael<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0113<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">cti<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u014d<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">n<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0113<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">s in <\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0100<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">tri<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u014d<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\"> Philosophic<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u014d \u00a716<\/span><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Decimos esto, en lo que se refiere al modo de <i>concebir<\/i> de la filosof\u00eda plat\u00f3nica, con vistas a los que tienden a creer que se contiene en ella demasiado o demasiado poco. Tienden a encontrar en ella <span lang=\"en-GB\">\u03b1<\/span>) <i>demasiado<\/i> los autores antiguos, los llamados <i>neoplat<\/i><i>\u00f3<\/i><i>nicos<\/i>, los cuales, <span lang=\"en-GB\">\u03b1\u03b1<\/span>) en parte, al alegorizar la mitolog\u00eda griega y presentarla como una expresi\u00f3n de Ideas \u2014lo que, en realidad, son los mitos\u2014, destacan tambi\u00e9n las Ideas contenidas en los mitos plat\u00f3nicos, convirtiendo con ello estos mitos en filosofemas (pues el m\u00e9rito de la filosof\u00eda consiste \u00fanica y exclusivamente en presentar lo verdadero bajo la forma del concepto) y, <span lang=\"en-GB\">\u03b2\u03b2<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">) <\/span>en parte, toman como expresi\u00f3n del ser absoluto [<span lang=\"de-DE\"><i>des absoluten Wesens<\/i><\/span>] lo que en Plat\u00f3n se presenta bajo la forma del concepto \u2014por ejemplo, toman la teor\u00eda del ser [<span lang=\"de-DE\"><i>die Wesenlehre<\/i><\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">]<\/span> expuesta en el <a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/parmenides-garcia-bacca\/\"><i>Parm\u00e9ni<\/i><i>des<\/i><\/a> como el conocimiento de Dios\u2014, como si Plat\u00f3n no se preocupara de distinguir una cosa de la otra.<span lang=\"es-ES\"> Sin embargo, en los conceptos plat\u00f3nicos puros no aparece superada la <\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">idea<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\"> como tal: o bien no se dice que estos conceptos sean su <\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">ser<\/span> <span lang=\"es-ES\">[<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\"><i>Wesen<\/i><\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">]<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">, o no son, para Plat\u00f3n, otra cosa que <\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">la Idea<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">, y no <\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">su ser<\/span> <span lang=\"es-ES\">[<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\"><i>Wesen<\/i><\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">]<\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">. Otros int\u00e9rpretes, principalmente los modernos, tienden a encontrar, en Plat\u00f3n, <\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\"><i>demasiado poco<\/i><\/span><span lang=\"es-ES\">; estos autores se aferran, principalmente, al lado de la representaci\u00f3n, y ven en ella una realidad. Lo que hay en Plat\u00f3n de comprendido conceptualmente o de puramente especulativo es considerado por ellos como un devaneo en torno a conceptos l\u00f3gicos abstractos o como una serie de vacuas sutilezas, tendiendo, en cambio, a ver filosofemas en lo que Plat\u00f3n expone solamente como representaciones. As\u00ed, en Tennemann (t. II, p, 376) y en otros autores modernos nos encontramos con una r\u00edgida reducci\u00f3n de la filosof\u00eda plat\u00f3nica a las formas de nuestra anterior metaf\u00edsica, por ejemplo, a las de las pruebas de la existencia de Dios.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-017\/#praelectiones-in-atrio-philosophico-17\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Perge ad sequ<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0113<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">ns caput<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-015\/#praelectiones-in-atrio-philosophico-15\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Redde ad prius caput<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-016\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Perge ad initium paginae huius<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-index\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Perge ad indicem<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Lectures at the Atrium Philosophicum \u00a716<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">Looking at this as it bears on the question of how Plato\u2019s philosophy is to be apprehended, we find, owing to these two circumstances, that either too much or too little is found in it. \u03b1) <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">Too much is found by the ancients,, the so-called Neoplatonists, <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">\u03b1\u03b1) <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">who sometimes dealt with Plato\u2019s philosophy as they dealt with the Greek mythology. This they allegorized and represented as the expression of <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">I<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">deas \u2014 which the myths certainly are \u2014 and in the same way they first raised the <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">I<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">deas in Plato\u2019s myths to the rank of <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">philosophemes; <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">for the merit of Philosophy consists alone in the fact that truth is expressed in the form of the <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">concept<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">. <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">\u03b2\u03b2)<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\"> Sometimes, again, they took what with Plato is in the form of the <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">concept<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\"> for the expression of Absolute Being <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">[<\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">des absoluten Wesens<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">] <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">\u2014 the theory of Being <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">[<\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">die Wesenlehre<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">]<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\"> in the <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\"><i>Parmenides<\/i><\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">, for instance, for the knowledge of God \u2014 just as if Plato had not himself drawn a distinction between them. But in the pure <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">concepts<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\"> of Plato <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">the <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">I<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">dea as such is not abolished<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">; either it is not said that these <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">concepts<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\"> constitute its reality, or they are to Plato no more than <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">an idea<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">, and not reality <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">[Wesen]<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">. <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">\u03b2) <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">Again, we certainly see that too little is found in Plato by the moderns in particular; for they attach themselves pre-eminently to the side of the <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">imagination<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">, and see in it reality. 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