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{"id":6501,"date":"2024-04-01T14:47:06","date_gmt":"2024-04-01T14:47:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/?post_type=yada_wiki&#038;p=6501"},"modified":"2025-02-07T03:09:53","modified_gmt":"2025-02-07T03:09:53","slug":"hegel-uber-platon-015","status":"publish","type":"yada_wiki","link":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-015\/","title":{"rendered":"Hegel \u00fcber Platon 015"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-2384 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"103\" height=\"103\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-100x100.jpg 100w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round.jpg 485w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 103px) 100vw, 103px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Parte de:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Lecciones de Historia de la Filosof\u00eda [Vorlesungen \u00fcber die Geschichte der Philosophie] \/ Primera parte: La Filosof\u00eda Griega [Erster Teil: Griechische Philosophie] \/ Secci\u00f3n Primera: de Tales a Arist\u00f3teles [Erster Abschnitt. Von Thales bis Aristoteles] \/ Cap\u00edtulo 3: Plat\u00f3n y Arist\u00f3teles [Drittes Kapitel: Platon und Aristoteles] \/ <strong>A. Plat\u00f3n [A. Philosophie des Platon]<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-5323 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba-266x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"84\" height=\"95\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba-266x300.png 266w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba-300x338.png 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba.png 314w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 84px) 100vw, 84px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n<h1><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Vorlesungen im Atrium Philosophicum \u00a715<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Eine wesentliche Verschiedenheit der Elemente in der Darstellung der Platonischen Philosophie in seinen Dialogen ist, da\u00df die blo\u00dfen Vorstellungen vom Wesen und das begreifende Erkennen desselben (in Weise der Vorstellung und spekulativ zu sprechen) dann \u00fcberhaupt selbst in einer ungebundeneren Weise vermischt ist, besonders in jener Weise zu einer mythischen Darstellung fortzugehen, \u2013 eine Vermischung, welche in diesem Anfange der eigentlichen Wissenschaft in ihrer wahren Gestalt notwendig ist. Platons erhabener Geist, der eine Anschauung oder Vorstellung des Geistes hatte, durchdrang diesen seinen Gegenstand mit dem Begriffe; aber er fing dies Durchdringen nur erst an, umfa\u00dfte nicht die ganze Realit\u00e4t desselben mit dem Begriffe, \u2013 oder das Erkennen, das in Platon erschien, realisierte sich noch nicht in ihm zu dem Ganzen. Hier geschieht es also, teils \u03b1) da\u00df die Vorstellung des Wesens sich wieder von seinem Begriffe trennt und er ihr gegen\u00fcbertritt, ohne da\u00df es ausgesprochen w\u00e4re, da\u00df der Begriff allein das Wesen ist. Wir k\u00f6nnen verleitet werden, was er in Weise [27] der Vorstellung vom Erkennen, von der Seele sagt, als philosophisch hinzunehmen. So sehen wir ihn von Gott sprechen und wieder im Begriffe von dem absoluten Wesen der Dinge, aber getrennt, oder in einer Verbindung, da\u00df beides getrennt scheint, der Vorstellung angeh\u00f6rt, als unbegriffenes Wesen. \u03b2) Teils tritt, f\u00fcr die weitere Ausf\u00fchrung und Realit\u00e4t, die blo\u00dfe Vorstellung ein, an die Stelle des Fortgehens im Begriffe, \u2013 Mythen, selbstgebildete Bewegungen der Vorstellung oder aus der sinnlichen Vorstellung aufgenommene Erz\u00e4hlungen, durch den Gedanken bestimmt, ohne da\u00df dieser sie in Wahrheit durchdrungen h\u00e4tte, \u00fcberhaupt das Geistige durch Formen der Vorstellung bestimmt. Es werden sinnliche Erscheinungen z.B. des K\u00f6rpers, der Natur aufgenommen und Gedanken dar\u00fcber, die sie nicht ersch\u00f6pfen, \u2013 als wenn sie durch und durch gedacht w\u00e4ren, der Begriff selbst\u00e4ndig an sich selbst fortginge.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-016\/#vorlesungen-im-atrium-philosophicum-16\"><span lang=\"de-DE\">Zum n\u00e4chsten Fragment gehen<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-014\/#vorlesungen-im-atrium-philosophicum-14\"><span lang=\"de-DE\">Zum vorherigen Fragment gehen<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-015\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Zum Anfang dieser Seite<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-index\/\"><span lang=\"de-DE\">Zum Index<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Prael<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0113<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">cti<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u014d<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">n<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0113<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">s in <\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0100<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">tri<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u014d<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\"> Philosophic<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u014d \u00a715<\/span><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Una diferencia esencial en lo que concierne a los distintos elementos de la filosof\u00eda plat\u00f3nica que en estos di\u00e1logos se exponen, o sean las simples ideas de la esencia y el conocimiento comprensivo de la misma, aparecen mezcladas de suyo de un modo popular y poco coherente, lo que hace que, principalmente las primeras, tiendan a desarrollarse en una <i>exposici\u00f3n m\u00edtica<\/i>; mescolanza esta inevitable, trat\u00e1ndose de los primeros comienzos de la verdadera ciencia bajo su verdadera forma. El sublime esp\u00edritu de Plat\u00f3n, en el que viv\u00eda una intuici\u00f3n o una representaci\u00f3n del esp\u00edritu, penetraba este su tema con el concepto especulativo; pero no hac\u00eda sino empezar esta penetraci\u00f3n, sin abarcar todav\u00eda toda la realidad de ella con el concepto; dicho en otros t\u00e9rminos, el conocimiento que en Plat\u00f3n se manifiesta no llega a\u00fan a realizarse en \u00e9l en su totalidad. Nos encontramos, pues, aqu\u00ed, en parte, \u03b1) con que la representaci\u00f3n de la esencia se separa de nuevo de su concepto y se enfrenta a \u00e9l, sin que se proclame que s\u00f3lo el concepto es la esencia: por eso vemos a Plat\u00f3n hablar de Dios y luego, en el concepto, de la esencia absoluta de las cosas, pero por separado, o en una combinaci\u00f3n en que ambas cosas aparecen escindidas y en que Dios, como esencia conceptualmente incomprendida, pertenece al mundo de las representaciones. \u03b2) En parte aparece, en el desarrollo y la realidad ulteriores, la simple representaci\u00f3n: en vez del desarrollo en forma de conceptos aparecen mitos, movimientos de la imaginaci\u00f3n que se plasman por s\u00ed mismos o relatos tomados de la representaci\u00f3n de los sentidos, determinados indudablemente por el pensamiento, pero sin que \u00e9ste llegue en realidad a penetrarlos, sino de tal modo que lo espiritual se vea determinado por formas de representaci\u00f3n; se recogen, por ejemplo, manifestaciones sensoriales del cuerpo, de la naturaleza, etc., y se formulan pensamientos acerca de ellas, pero sin llegar a agotarlas, ni mucho menos, como si se las pensara a fondo y el concepto se desarrollara en s\u00ed y de un modo independiente.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-016\/#praelectiones-in-atrio-philosophico-16\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Perge ad sequ<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0113<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">ns caput<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-014\/#praelectiones-in-atrio-philosophico-14\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Redde ad prius caput<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-015\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Perge ad initium paginae huius<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-index\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Perge ad indicem<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Lectures at the Atrium Philosophicum \u00a715<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">An essential difference of the elements in the presentation of Plato\u2019<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">s<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\"> philosophy in his dialogues is that the mere ideas of essence and the understanding of it (in the manner of imagination and speculatively) <\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">are really mixed up in a loose, popular way, so that the former more especially come to be represented in a myth or parable; such intermingling is inevitable in this beginning of science proper in its true form.<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\"> Plato\u2019s sublime spirit, which had an intuition or idea <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">of the <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">S<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">pirit, penetrated this object with the concept; but it only began this penetration, did not encompass the whole reality of it with the concept \u2013 or the knowledge which appeared in Plato was not yet realized in him as a whole. Here it happens, partly \u03b1) that the idea <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">of essence <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">separates itself again from its concept and it confronts it, without it being stated that the concept alone is the essence. We can be tempted to accept as philosophical what he says in terms of the idea <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">of knowledge <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">and the soul. Thus we see him speaking of God and again in the concept of the absolute essence of things, but separately, or in a connection that makes both seem separate, belonging to the idea, as an uncomprehended essence. \u03b2) <\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">In part<\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">, in order to give greater completeness and reality, in place of following out the <\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">concept<\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">, mere pictorial conceptions are introduced, myths, spontaneous imaginations of his own, or tales derived from the sensuous <\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">idea<\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">, which no doubt are determined by thought, but which this has never permeated in truth, but only in such a way that the intellectual is determined by the forms of <\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">the idea<\/span><span lang=\"de-DE\">. 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