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{"id":6472,"date":"2024-04-01T00:14:17","date_gmt":"2024-04-01T00:14:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/?post_type=yada_wiki&#038;p=6472"},"modified":"2025-02-08T02:12:56","modified_gmt":"2025-02-08T02:12:56","slug":"hegel-uber-platon-008","status":"publish","type":"yada_wiki","link":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-008\/","title":{"rendered":"Hegel \u00fcber Platon 008"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-2384 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"103\" height=\"103\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round-100x100.jpg 100w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/Hegel-Round.jpg 485w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 103px) 100vw, 103px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Parte de:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Lecciones de Historia de la Filosof\u00eda [Vorlesungen \u00fcber die Geschichte der Philosophie] \/ Primera parte: La Filosof\u00eda Griega [Erster Teil: Griechische Philosophie] \/ Secci\u00f3n Primera: de Tales a Arist\u00f3teles [Erster Abschnitt. Von Thales bis Aristoteles] \/ Cap\u00edtulo 3: Plat\u00f3n y Arist\u00f3teles [Drittes Kapitel: Platon und Aristoteles] \/ <strong>A. Plat\u00f3n [A. Philosophie des Platon]<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-5323 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba-266x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"84\" height=\"95\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba-266x300.png 266w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba-300x338.png 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/Platon-Parriba.png 314w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 84px) 100vw, 84px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Vorlesungen im Atrium Philosophicum \u00a78<br \/>\n<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">So geehrt im ganzen und besonders in Athen lebte Platon bis in die 108. Olympiade (348 v. Chr. Geb.). Er starb an seinem Geburtstage bei einem Hochzeitsschmause im 81. Jahre seines Alters.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Platons Philosophie ist uns in den <i>Schriften<\/i>, die wir von ihm haben, hinterlassen. Form und Inhalt sind von gleich anziehender Wichtigkeit. Beim Studium derselben m\u00fcssen wir aber wissen, \u03b1) was wir in ihnen zu suchen haben und in ihnen von Philosophie finden k\u00f6nnen, \u03b2) und eben damit, was der Platonische Standpunkt nicht leistet, seine Zeit \u00fcberhaupt nicht leisten kann. So kann es sein, da\u00df sie uns [19] sehr unbefriedigt lassen, das Bed\u00fcrfnis, mit dem wir zur Philosophie treten, nicht befriedigen k\u00f6nnen. Es ist besser, sie lassen uns im ganzen unbefriedigt, als wenn wir sie als das Letzte ansehen wollen. Sein Standpunkt ist bestimmt und notwendig; man kann aber bei ihm nicht bleiben, noch sich auf ihn zur\u00fcckversetzen, \u2013 die Vernunft macht h\u00f6here Anforderungen. Ihn zum H\u00f6chsten f\u00fcr uns zu machen, als den Standpunkt, den wir uns nehmen m\u00fcssen, dies geh\u00f6rt zu den Schw\u00e4chen unserer Zeit, die Gr\u00f6\u00dfe, das eigentlich Ungeheure der Anforderung des Menschengeistes nicht tragen zu k\u00f6nnen, sich erdr\u00fcckt zu f\u00fchlen und darum schwachm\u00fctig von ihm sich zur\u00fcckzufl\u00fcchten. Wie in der P\u00e4dagogik das Bestreben ist, die Menschen zu erziehen, um sie vor der Welt zu verwahren, d.h. sie in einem Kreise \u2013 z.B. des Comptoirs, idyllisch des Bohnenpflanzens \u2013 zu erhalten, in dem sie von der Welt nichts wissen, keine Notiz von ihr nehmen, so ist in der Philosophie zur\u00fcckgegangen worden zum religi\u00f6sen Glauben, so zur Platonischen Philosophie. Beides sind Momente, die ihren wesentlichen Standpunkt und Stellung haben; aber sie sind nicht Philosophie unserer Zeit. Man h\u00e4tte Recht, zu ihr zur\u00fcckzukehren, um die Idee, was spekulative Philosophie ist, wieder zu lernen; aber es ist Leichtigkeit, so sch\u00f6n zu sprechen, nach Lust und Liebe im allgemeinen von Sch\u00f6nheit, Vortrefflichkeit. Man mu\u00df dar\u00fcber stehen, d.h. das Bed\u00fcrfnis des denkenden Geistes unserer Zeit kennen oder vielmehr dies Bed\u00fcrfnis haben. \u2013 Das Literarische, das Kritische Herrn Schleiermachers, die kritische Sonderung, ob die einen oder die anderen Nebendialoge echt seien (\u00fcber die gro\u00dfen kann ohnehin nach den Zeugnissen der Alten kein Zweifel sein), ist f\u00fcr Philosophie ganz \u00fcberfl\u00fcssig und geh\u00f6rt der Hyperkritik unserer Zeit an.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-009\/#vorlesungen-im-atrium-philosophicum-9\"><span lang=\"de-DE\">Zum n\u00e4chsten Fragment gehen<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-007\/#vorlesungen-im-atrium-philosophicum-7\"><span lang=\"de-DE\">Zum vorherigen Fragment gehen<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-008\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Zum Anfang dieser Seite<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-index\/\"><span lang=\"de-DE\">Zum Index<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Prael<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0113<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">cti<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u014d<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">n<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0113<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">s in <\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0100<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">tri<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u014d<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\"> Philosophic<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u014d \u00a78<br \/>\n<\/span><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Plat\u00f3n vivi\u00f3 honrado en todas partes, sobre todo en Atenas, hasta el primer a\u00f1o de la 108\u00aa Olimp\u00edada (348 a. C.). Muri\u00f3 el d\u00eda en que cumpl\u00eda a\u00f1os, en un banquete de bodas, a los ochenta y uno de edad.<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007770000000000000000_6472\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_6472-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_6472-1\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">Di\u00f3genes Laercio, III, 2; Brucker,<i> Hist. Crit. Phil.<\/i>, tom. I, p. 653<i>.<\/i><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Digamos ahora algo acerca del modo inmediato en que ha llegado a nosotros la filosof\u00eda de Plat\u00f3n, que son los <i>escritos<\/i> que de \u00e9l poseemos, sin ning\u00fan g\u00e9nero de duda uno de los m\u00e1s bellos regalos que la suerte nos ha legado de la antig\u00fcedad. Las obras de Plat\u00f3n tienen una importancia igualmente atrayente por su forma y por su contenido. Pero, para afrontar debidamente su estudio, debemos saber, de una parte, qu\u00e9 es lo que en ellas debemos buscar y podemos encontrar de filosof\u00eda; y, de otra parte y precisamente por ello, lo que el punto de vista de Plat\u00f3n no nos ofrece, sencillamente porque no pod\u00eda ofrec\u00e9rnoslo la \u00e9poca en que Plat\u00f3n vivi\u00f3. Puede, pues, ocurrir que estas obras dejen muy insatisfecha la necesidad que a nosotros nos lleva a la filosof\u00eda; pero, despu\u00e9s de todo, es preferible que no nos satisfagan en conjunto que no que las consideremos como algo \u00faltimo e inapelable. El punto de vista de Plat\u00f3n es un punto de vista determinado y necesario, pero no podemos empecinarnos en \u00e9l ni retrotraernos a \u00e9l, pues la raz\u00f3n tiene, hoy, exigencias superiores a las de su tiempo. Hacer de \u00e9l algo insuperable, como el punto de vista en que nosotros mismos deber\u00edamos situarnos, es una de las debilidades propias de nuestro tiempo; debilidad que consiste en no poder soportar la grandeza verdaderamente inmensa de las exigencias del esp\u00edritu humano, en sentirse agobiado por este peso y en retroceder, por ello, pusil\u00e1nimemente ante \u00e9l. No, es necesario estar por encima de Plat\u00f3n, es decir, conocer la necesidad del esp\u00edritu pensante de nuestro tiempo, o, mejor dicho, sentir esta necesidad. As\u00ed como en pedagog\u00eda algunos aspiran a educar al hombre para precaverlo contra el mundo, es decir, para que se encierre en un c\u00edrculo aparte \u2014por ejemplo, en un despacho, o viva id\u00edlicamente plantando y cultivando habas\u2014, en el que no sepa nada de lo que pasa en el mundo ni tome conocimiento de \u00e9l, as\u00ed tambi\u00e9n en la filosof\u00eda se ha retornado a la fe religiosa y a la filosof\u00eda plat\u00f3nica.<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007770000000000000000_6472\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_6472-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_6472-2\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\">Cfr. t. I, pp. 48.<\/span> Ambos son, evidentemente, momentos que responden a su punto de vista y a su posici\u00f3n esenciales; pero no son, desde luego, la filosof\u00eda de nuestro tiempo. Estar\u00eda justificado el tratar de retornar a Plat\u00f3n para volver a aprender de \u00e9l la idea de la filosof\u00eda especulativa; pero es una tonter\u00eda expresarse en t\u00e9rminos tan hermosos, a gusto y antojo del que escribe, acerca de la belleza y la excelencia de estos escritos. Sobre todo, las disquisiciones literarias del se\u00f1or Schleiermacher, los sondeos cr\u00edticos que se hacen para averiguar si estos o los otros di\u00e1logos secundarios son aut\u00e9nticos o ap\u00f3crifos (pues acerca de los principales apenas dejan lugar a dudas los testimonios de los autores antiguos), son absolutamente superfluos en filosof\u00eda y nacen, en realidad, de ese esp\u00edritu hipercr\u00edtico tan caracter\u00edstico de nuestra \u00e9poca.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-009\/#praelectiones-in-atrio-philosophico-9\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Perge ad sequ<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">\u0113<\/span><span lang=\"la-VA\">ns caput<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-007\/#praelectiones-in-atrio-philosophico-7\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Redde ad prius caput<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-008\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Perge ad initium paginae huius<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-index\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Perge ad indicem<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Lectures at the Atrium Philosophicum \u00a78<br \/>\n<\/span><\/h1>\n<p lang=\"en-GB\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Plato lived thus honored on the whole and especially in Athens until the 108th Olympiad (born 348 BC). He died on his birthday at a wedding feast in his 81st year.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"en-GB\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Plato\u2019s philosophy has been left to us in the writings that we have from him. Form and content are of equally attractive importance. When studying them, however, we must know \u03b1) what we are looking for in them and what we can find in them of philosophy, \u03b2) and precisely what the Platonic standpoint does not achieve, his time cannot achieve at all. So it can happen that they leave us very unsatisfied, cannot satisfy the need with which we approach philosophy. It is better that they leave us unsatisfied on the whole than if we want to see them as the ultimate. His standpoint is definite and necessary; but one cannot remain with it, nor return to it &#8211; reason makes higher demands. To make it the highest for us, as the standpoint that we must take, this is one of the weaknesses of our time, the greatness, the actual enormity of the demands of the human spirit, of not being able to bear it, of feeling overwhelmed and therefore weak-heartedly fleeing from it. Just as in pedagogy the aim is to educate people in order to protect them from the world, i.e. to keep them in a circle &#8211; e.g. the office, the idyllic bean planting &#8211; in which they know nothing of the world, take no notice of it, so in philosophy there has been a return to religious belief, to Platonic philosophy. Both are moments that have their essential standpoint and position; but they are not the philosophy of our time. One would be right to return to it in order to learn again the idea of what speculative philosophy is; but it is easy to speak so beautifully, according to pleasure and love, in general about beauty and excellence. One must rise above it, i.e. know the need of the thinking mind of our time, or rather have this need. \u2013 The literary, the critical aspect of Mr. Schleiermacher, the critical separation of whether one or the other of the side dialogues is genuine (there can be no doubt about the great ones anyway, according to the testimony of the ancients), is completely superfluous for philosophy and belongs to the hyper-criticism of our time.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-009\/#lectures-at-the-atrium-philosophicum-9\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Go to the next fragment<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-007\/#lectures-at-the-atrium-philosophicum-7\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Back to the previous fragment<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-008\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Go to the top of this page<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/hegel-uber-platon-index\/\"><span lang=\"la-VA\">Go to the Index<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"wiki_cats":[31],"wiki_tags":[],"class_list":["post-6472","yada_wiki","type-yada_wiki","status-publish","hentry","wiki_cats-hegel-on-plato"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki\/6472","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/yada_wiki"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6472"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki\/6472\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":11455,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki\/6472\/revisions\/11455"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6472"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"wiki_cats","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/wiki_cats?post=6472"},{"taxonomy":"wiki_tags","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/wiki_tags?post=6472"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}