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{"id":5531,"date":"2024-01-23T01:32:13","date_gmt":"2024-01-23T01:32:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/?post_type=yada_wiki&#038;p=5531"},"modified":"2024-01-23T01:40:44","modified_gmt":"2024-01-23T01:40:44","slug":"parmenides-138e-139a","status":"publish","type":"yada_wiki","link":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/parmenides-138e-139a\/","title":{"rendered":"Parmenides 138e &#8211; 139a"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Platonis Parmenides<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">138 e &#8211; 139 a<\/span><\/p>\n\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u03a0\u03b1\u03c1\u03bc\u03b5\u03bd\u03af\u03b4\u03b7\u03c2<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[138\u03b5] \u1f04\u03bb\u03bb\u03bf \u03c0\u03b5\u03af\u03c3\u03b5\u03c4\u03b1\u03b9 \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6\u03c4\u03bf, \u1f10\u03ba\u03b5\u1fd6\u03bd\u03bf \u1f02\u03bd \u03bc\u03cc\u03bd\u03bf\u03bd \u03c0\u03ac\u03c3\u03c7\u03bf\u03b9 \u03bf\u1f57 \u03bc\u03ad\u03c1\u03b7 \u03b5\u1f34\u03b7: \u03c4\u1f78 \u03bc\u1f72\u03bd \u03b3\u1f70\u03c1 \u1f04\u03bd \u03c4\u03b9 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u1f24\u03b4\u03b7 \u1f10\u03bd \u1f10\u03ba\u03b5\u03af\u03bd\u1ff3, \u03c4\u1f78 \u03b4\u1f72 \u1f14\u03be\u03c9 \u03b5\u1f34\u03b7 \u1f05\u03bc\u03b1: \u03c4\u1f78 \u03b4\u1f72 \u03bc\u1f74 \u1f14\u03c7\u03bf\u03bd \u03bc\u03ad\u03c1\u03b7 \u03bf\u1f50\u03c7 \u03bf\u1f37\u03cc\u03bd \u03c4\u03ad \u03c0\u03bf\u03c5 \u1f14\u03c3\u03c4\u03b1\u03b9 \u03c4\u03c1\u03cc\u03c0\u1ff3 \u03bf\u1f50\u03b4\u03b5\u03bd\u1f76 \u1f45\u03bb\u03bf\u03bd \u1f05\u03bc\u03b1 \u03bc\u03ae\u03c4\u03b5 \u1f10\u03bd\u03c4\u1f78\u03c2 \u03b5\u1f36\u03bd\u03b1\u03af \u03c4\u03b9\u03bd\u03bf\u03c2 \u03bc\u03ae\u03c4\u03b5 \u1f14\u03be\u03c9.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u1f00\u03bb\u03b7\u03b8\u1fc6.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u03bf\u1f57 \u03b4\u1f72 \u03bc\u03ae\u03c4\u03b5 \u03bc\u03ad\u03c1\u03b7 \u03b5\u1f30\u03c3\u1f76 \u03bc\u03ae\u03c4\u03b5 \u1f45\u03bb\u03bf\u03bd \u03c4\u03c5\u03b3\u03c7\u03ac\u03bd\u03b5\u03b9 \u1f44\u03bd, \u03bf\u1f50 \u03c0\u03bf\u03bb\u1f7a \u1f14\u03c4\u03b9 \u1f00\u03b4\u03c5\u03bd\u03b1\u03c4\u03ce\u03c4\u03b5\u03c1\u03bf\u03bd \u1f10\u03b3\u03b3\u03af\u03b3\u03bd\u03b5\u03c3\u03b8\u03b1\u03af \u03c0\u03bf\u03c5, \u03bc\u03ae\u03c4\u03b5 \u03ba\u03b1\u03c4\u1f70 \u03bc\u03ad\u03c1\u03b7 \u03bc\u03ae\u03c4\u03b5 \u03ba\u03b1\u03c4\u1f70 \u1f45\u03bb\u03bf\u03bd \u1f10\u03b3\u03b3\u03b9\u03b3\u03bd\u03cc\u03bc\u03b5\u03bd\u03bf\u03bd;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u03c6\u03b1\u03af\u03bd\u03b5\u03c4\u03b1\u03b9.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u03bf\u1f54\u03c4\u1fbd \u1f04\u03c1\u03b1 \u03c0\u03bf\u03b9 \u1f30\u1f78\u03bd \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u1f14\u03bd [139\u03b1] \u03c4\u1ff3 \u03b3\u03b9\u03b3\u03bd\u03cc\u03bc\u03b5\u03bd\u03bf\u03bd \u03c7\u03ce\u03c1\u03b1\u03bd \u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u03ac\u03c4\u03c4\u03b5\u03b9, \u03bf\u1f54\u03c4\u1fbd \u1f10\u03bd \u03c4\u1ff7 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u1ff7 \u03c0\u03b5\u03c1\u03b9\u03c6\u03b5\u03c1\u03cc\u03bc\u03b5\u03bd\u03bf\u03bd \u03bf\u1f54\u03c4\u03b5 \u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u03bf\u03b9\u03bf\u03cd\u03bc\u03b5\u03bd\u03bf\u03bd.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u03bf\u1f50\u03ba \u1f14\u03bf\u03b9\u03ba\u03b5.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u03ba\u03b1\u03c4\u1f70 \u03c0\u1fb6\u03c3\u03b1\u03bd \u1f04\u03c1\u03b1 \u03ba\u03af\u03bd\u03b7\u03c3\u03b9\u03bd \u03c4\u1f78 \u1f13\u03bd \u1f00\u03ba\u03af\u03bd\u03b7\u03c4\u03bf\u03bd.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u1f00\u03ba\u03af\u03bd\u03b7\u03c4\u03bf\u03bd.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u1f70 \u03bc\u1f74\u03bd \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03b5\u1f36\u03bd\u03b1\u03af \u03b3\u03ad \u03c6\u03b1\u03bc\u03b5\u03bd \u1f14\u03bd \u03c4\u03b9\u03bd\u03b9 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u1f78 \u1f00\u03b4\u03cd\u03bd\u03b1\u03c4\u03bf\u03bd.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u03c6\u03b1\u03bc\u1f72\u03bd \u03b3\u03ac\u03c1.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u03bf\u1f50\u03b4\u1fbd \u1f04\u03c1\u03b1 \u03c0\u03bf\u03c4\u1f72 \u1f10\u03bd \u03c4\u1ff7 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u1ff7 \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u03b9\u03bd.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u03c4\u03af \u03b4\u03ae;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u1f45\u03c4\u03b9 \u1f24\u03b4\u03b7 \u1f02\u03bd \u1f10\u03bd \u1f10\u03ba\u03b5\u03af\u03bd\u1ff3 \u03b5\u1f34\u03b7 \u1f10\u03bd \u1fa7 \u03c4\u1ff7 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u1ff7 \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u03b9\u03bd.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u03c0\u03ac\u03bd\u03c5 \u03bc\u1f72\u03bd \u03bf\u1f56\u03bd.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u1f00\u03bb\u03bb\u1fbd \u03bf\u1f54\u03c4\u03b5 \u1f10\u03bd \u03b1\u1f51\u03c4\u1ff7 \u03bf\u1f54\u03c4\u03b5 \u1f10\u03bd \u1f04\u03bb\u03bb\u1ff3 \u03bf\u1f37\u03cc\u03bd \u03c4\u03b5 \u1f26\u03bd \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u1ff7 \u1f10\u03bd\u03b5\u1fd6\u03bd\u03b1\u03b9.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u03bf\u1f50 \u03b3\u1f70\u03c1 \u03bf\u1f56\u03bd.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u03bf\u1f50\u03b4\u03ad\u03c0\u03bf\u03c4\u03b5 \u1f04\u03c1\u03b1 \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u1f76 \u03c4\u1f78 \u1f13\u03bd \u1f10\u03bd \u03c4\u1ff7 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u1ff7.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u03bf\u1f50\u03ba \u1f14\u03bf\u03b9\u03ba\u03b5\u03bd.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/parmenides-139b-139c\/\">Perge ad sequens caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/parmenides-138c-138d\/\">Redde ad prius caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Redde ad indicem<\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Parm\u00e9nides (Caracas)<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[138 e] Si a tal alguien le pasa algo diferente, solamente le pasar\u00eda si tuviere partes, porque algo estar\u00eda ya en \u00e9l y, a la vez, algo estar\u00eda fuera. Mas lo que no tiene partes no puede estar a la vez de manera alguna entero <i>ni<\/i> dentro<i> <\/i><i>ni<\/i><i> <\/i>fuera de algo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Es verdad.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Mas respecto de lo que <i>ni<\/i> tiene partes <i>ni<\/i> se da el caso de ser un Todo, \u00bfno se hace a\u00fan m\u00e1s imposible el que se haga <i>ni<\/i> a tener partes <i>ni<\/i> a ser un Todo?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Tal parece.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 As\u00ed que <i>no<\/i> tiene a d\u00f3 ir<i> ni<\/i>, hecho en algo, cambiar [139 a] de lugar <i>ni<\/i> circular <i>ni<\/i> alterarse en s\u00ed mismo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Parece que no.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Ser\u00e1, pues, <i>Lo<\/i> Uno inmoble seg\u00fan todas las clases de movimiento.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Inmoble ser\u00e1.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Afirmamos m\u00e1s a\u00fan: que es imposible que est\u00e9 siendo en algo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Lo afirmamos.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Luego <i>ni<\/i> tampoco jam\u00e1s en el mismo lugar.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 \u00bfC\u00f3mo as\u00ed?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Porque estar\u00eda ya en aquel lugar mismo en que est\u00e1.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Absolutamente.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 As\u00ed que no le es posible estar siendo <i>ni<\/i> en s\u00ed mismo <i>ni<\/i> en otro.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Pues no.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 De ninguna manera, pues, est\u00e1 <i>Lo<\/i> Uno en un mismo lugar.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Parece que no.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/parmenides-139b-139c\/\">Perge ad sequens caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/parmenides-138c-138d\/\">Redde ad prius caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Redde ad indicem<\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Parm\u00e9nides (Madrid)<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[138 e] \u2014 Pero, si algo puede ser afectado de ese modo, s\u00f3lo lo ser\u00e1 lo que tiene partes; una parte de \u00e9l, en efecto, podr\u00e1 estar ya en \u00e9l y otra fuera de \u00e9l, simult\u00e1neamente. Pero lo que no tiene partes de ning\u00fan modo puede estar todo \u00e9l simult\u00e1neamente ni dentro ni fuera de algo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Es verdad.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Aquello que no tiene partes ni se da como un todo, \u00bfno es mucho m\u00e1s imposible a\u00fan que llegue a ser en algo, ya que no llega a ser en algo ni por partes ni en su totalidad?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 As\u00ed parece.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Entonces, no cambia de lugar yendo hacia algo ni llegando a ser en algo, ni girando en el mismo lugar, ni [139 a] tampoco se altera.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Parece que no.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 En consecuencia, lo uno es inm\u00f3vil, respecto de todo tipo de movimiento.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Inm\u00f3vil.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Pero dijimos, adem\u00e1s, que es imposible que lo uno est\u00e9 en algo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Lo dijimos, en efecto.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Entonces, tampoco est\u00e1 jam\u00e1s en el mismo lugar.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 \u00bfPor que?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Porque estar\u00eda ya en aquello mismo en lo que est\u00e1.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 S\u00ed, efectivamente.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Pero no le ser\u00eda posible estar contenido en s\u00ed mismo ni en otra cosa.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 No, claro que no.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 En consecuencia, lo uno no est\u00e1 de ning\u00fan modo en el mismo lugar.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u2014 Parece que no.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/parmenides-139b-139c\/\">Perge ad sequens caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/parmenides-138c-138d\/\">Redde ad prius caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Redde ad indicem<\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Parmenides<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[138e] \u201cNow if anything goes through this process, it can be only that which has parts; 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