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Die Verwirklichung des vern\u00fcnftigen Selbstbewu\u00dftseins durch sich selbst<\/b><b>]<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[De c\u00f3mo hay que entender lo precedente de este cap. V y lo que va a seguir: de que as\u00ed como el cap. V, A ha sido una repetici\u00f3n de los caps. I, II y III, el cap. V, B es una repetici\u00f3n del cap. IV; la eticidad]<\/span><\/p>\n\n<h1 lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Gespr\u00e4che in Jena<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>5<\/b><b>4<\/b><b>]<\/b> Die Vernunft <i>mu\u00df aus diesem Gl\u00fccke heraustreten<\/i>; denn nur <i>an sich<\/i> oder <i>unmittelbar<\/i> ist das Leben eines freien Volks die <i>reale Sittlichkeit<\/i>, oder sie ist eine <i>seiende<\/i>, und damit ist auch dieser allgemeine Geist selbst ein einzelner, das Ganze der Sitten und Gesetze, eine <i>bestimmte<\/i> sittliche Substanz, welche erst in dem h\u00f6heren Momente, n\u00e4mlich im <i>Bewu\u00dftsein \u00fcber ihr Wesen<\/i>, die Beschr\u00e4nkung auszieht und nur in diesem Erkennen ihre absolute Wahrheit hat, nicht aber unmittelbar in ihrem Sein; in diesem ist sie teils eine beschr\u00e4nkte, teils ist die absolute Beschr\u00e4nkung eben dies, da\u00df der Geist in der Form des <i>Seins<\/i> ist.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00355\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00353\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Valencia<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>5<\/b><b>4<\/b><b>]<\/b> La raz\u00f3n <i>no tiene m\u00e1s remedio que salir o quedar fuera de esta felicidad<\/i>; pues s\u00f3lo en s\u00ed o s\u00f3lo <i>inmediatamente<\/i> es la vida de un pueblo libre la <i>etic<\/i><i>i<\/i><i>dad real<\/i>, o lo que es lo mismo: esa eticidad es una eticidad que es, es una eticidad que <i>ah\u00ed est\u00e1<\/i> y, por tanto, este esp\u00edritu universal mismo es tambi\u00e9n un esp\u00edritu particular [<i>e<\/i><i>i<\/i><i>nzelner<\/i>], [este esp\u00edritu es] el todo de las costumbres y leyes, [este esp\u00edritu es] una <i>determinada<\/i> sustancia \u00e9tica que s\u00f3lo en el momento superior 203,<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007910000000000000000_4108\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007910000000000000000_4108-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007910000000000000000_4108-1\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">Habremos de esperar a ver qu\u00e9 es lo que quiere decir el autor con esto.<\/span> es decir, s\u00f3lo cuando cobra <i>conciencia acerca de su esencia<\/i> [s\u00f3lo en el momento superior de cobrar conciencia de su esencia X204X],<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007910000000000000000_4108\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007910000000000000000_4108-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007910000000000000000_4108-2\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\">Precisamente en este punto conviene que tengamos muy claro que desde el principio del cap. V esa conciencia es cada vez m\u00e1s<i> <\/i><i>nosotros<\/i>, esa conciencia (ya casi) somos<i> nosotros<\/i>, de modo que cuando esa conciencia nos alcance, seremos <i>nosotros<\/i> quienes nos habremos alcanzado a nosotros mismos conceptualmente. La conciencia de la que estamos hablando es una conciencia que en el medio del racionalismo y del empirismo, del idealismo y de la ciencia (cap. V) y de la Ilustraci\u00f3n y de la revoluci\u00f3n (cap. VI, B) ha \u00abcobrado conciencia de su esencia\u00bb. En la <i>Fenomenolog<\/i><i>\u00ed<\/i><i>a del esp<\/i><i>\u00ed<\/i><i>ritu<\/i> (<i>nosotros<\/i>) esa conciencia trata de entenderse, de llevar hasta el final tal cobrar conciencia de su esencia.<\/span> se desprende de la limitaci\u00f3n X205X,<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"3\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007910000000000000000_4108\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007910000000000000000_4108-3\">3<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007910000000000000000_4108-3\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"3\">Pero entonces esa sustancia se ha dejado ya detr\u00e1s, ha sido dejada detr\u00e1s, ha sido superada.<\/span> y s\u00f3lo en ese conocimiento [o reconocimiento, o en ese reconocerse] tiene su verdad absoluta, pero no la tiene inmediatamente en su ser; pues en este ser [<i>Seyn<\/i>] esa sustancia es en parte una sustancia limitada, y en parte la limitaci\u00f3n absoluta consiste precisamente en eso: en que el esp\u00edritu no es aqu\u00ed sino en la forma del <i>ser<\/i> [<i>Seyn<\/i>].<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Algunas aclaraciones<\/span><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>X203X =<\/b> Habremos de esperar a ver qu\u00e9 es lo que quiere decir el autor con esto.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>X204X =<\/b> Precisamente en este punto conviene que tengamos muy claro que desde el principio del cap. V esa conciencia es cada vez m\u00e1s<i> <\/i><i>nosotros<\/i>, esa conciencia (ya casi) somos<i> nosotros<\/i>, de modo que cuando esa conciencia nos alcance, seremos <i>nosotros<\/i> quienes nos habremos alcanzado a nosotros mismos conceptualmente. La conciencia de la que estamos hablando es una conciencia que en el medio del racionalismo y del empirismo, del idealismo y de la ciencia (cap. V) y de la Ilustraci\u00f3n y de la revoluci\u00f3n (cap. VI, B) ha \u00abcobrado conciencia de su esencia\u00bb. En la <i>Fenomenolog<\/i><i>\u00ed<\/i><i>a del esp<\/i><i>\u00ed<\/i><i>ritu<\/i> (<i>nosotros<\/i>) esa conciencia trata de entenderse, de llevar hasta el final tal cobrar conciencia de su esencia.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>X205X =<\/b> Pero entonces esa sustancia se ha dejado ya detr\u00e1s, ha sido dejada detr\u00e1s, ha sido superada.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00355\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00353\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Madrid<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>5<\/b><b>4<\/b><b>]<\/b> La raz\u00f3n <i>tiene que salir de esta dicha<\/i>: pues la vida de un pueblo libre es la <i>eticidad real<\/i> s\u00f3lo <i>en s\u00ed<\/i> o <i>de manera inmediata<\/i>, o bien, en otros t\u00e9rminos, es una eticidad <i>que es<\/i>, y por ende, tambi\u00e9n este esp\u00edritu universal mismo es un esp\u00edritu singular, la totalidad de las costumbres y leyes, una substancia \u00e9tica <i>determinada<\/i> que s\u00f3lo en los momentos m\u00e1s elevados, a saber, en la <i>conciencia acerca de de su esencia<\/i>, se deshace de sus limitaciones, y s\u00f3lo dentro de este conocimiento tiene su verdad absoluta, mas no inmediatamente dentro de su <i>ser<\/i>; dentro de \u00e9ste, por una parte, la substancia \u00e9tica es una substancia limitada, por otra, la limitaci\u00f3n absoluta consiste justamente en eso: que el esp\u00edritu sea en la forma del <i>ser<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00355\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00353\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversations in Washington<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>5<\/b><b>4<\/b><b>]<\/b> [354]<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"4\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007910000000000000000_4108\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007910000000000000000_4108-4\">4<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007910000000000000000_4108-4\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"4\">We kept the numeration given by the editor in the printed edition<\/span> Reason <i>must depart from this happy fortune<\/i>, for the life of a free people is only <i>in itself<\/i> or <i>immediately<\/i> the <i>real ethical life<\/i>, or the real ethical life as an <i>existing<\/i> ethical life, and this universal spirit is thereby also itself something singular, a totality of ethos and laws, a <i>determinate<\/i> ethical substance which in that lofty moment, namely, the <i>consciousness about its essence<\/i>, first casts off that restriction. It has its absolute truth only in this cognition, not, however, immediately in its <i>being<\/i>. Within this being, it is in part a restricted ethical substance, and the absolute restriction is in part spirit\u2019s existence in the form of <i>being<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00355\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00353\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en el <em>Atrium<\/em><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-7044\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"242\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg 242w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-827x1024.jpg 827w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-768x951.jpg 768w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-300x371.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church.jpg 1018w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 242px) 100vw, 242px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00355\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00353\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"wiki_cats":[18],"wiki_tags":[],"class_list":["post-4108","yada_wiki","type-yada_wiki","status-publish","hentry","wiki_cats-fenomenologia"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.8 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Parte de: C. 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