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{"id":3849,"date":"2023-10-08T15:04:55","date_gmt":"2023-10-08T15:04:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/?post_type=yada_wiki&#038;p=3849"},"modified":"2024-09-28T16:15:14","modified_gmt":"2024-09-28T16:15:14","slug":"gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00326","status":"publish","type":"yada_wiki","link":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00326\/","title":{"rendered":"Gespr\u00e4che in der D\u00e4mmerung 00326"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Parte de:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u00a0C. (AA.) Raz\u00f3n [C. (AA.) Vernunft] \/ V: Certeza y verdad de la raz\u00f3n [V. Gewi\u00dfheit und Wahrheit der Vernunft] \/ A. La raz\u00f3n observadora [A. Beobachtende Vernunft] \/ <strong>c. Observaci\u00f3n de la relaci\u00f3n de la autoconciencia con su realidad inmediata; fisiogn\u00f3mica y teor\u00eda del cr\u00e1neo [c. Beobachtung der Beziehung des Selbstbewu\u00dftseins auf seine unmittelbare Wirklichkeit; Physiognomik und Sch\u00e4dellehre]<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[Otra relaci\u00f3n entre interior y exterior aparte de la psicolog\u00eda y la fisiogn\u00f3mica. \u2014 Esp\u00edritu, cerebro y cr\u00e1neo]<\/span><\/p>\n\n<h1 lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Gespr\u00e4che in Jena<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>2<\/b><b>6<\/b><b>]<\/b> Im gemeinen Leben nun wird der Zorn z.B., als ein solches inneres Tun, in die Leber verlegt; Platon gibt ihr sogar noch etwas H\u00f6heres, das nach einigen sogar das H\u00f6chste ist, zu, n\u00e4mlich die Prophezeiung oder die Gabe, das Heilige und [245] Ewige unvern\u00fcnftigerweise auszusprechen.<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007770000000000000000_3849\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_3849-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_3849-1\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">Platon,<i> Timaios<\/i>, Stph. 71 D.<\/span> Allein die Bewegung, welche das Individuum in der Leber, dem Herzen usf. hat, kann nicht als die ganz in sich reflektierte Bewegung desselben angesehen werden, sondern sie ist darin vielmehr so, da\u00df sie ihm schon in den Leib geschlagen ist und ein animalisches, heraus gegen die \u00c4u\u00dferlichkeit sich wendendes Dasein hat.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00327\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00325\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Valencia<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>2<\/b><b>6<\/b><b>]<\/b> [Un ejemplo para empezar a ver de qu\u00e9 \u00f3rgano estamos hablando es el <i>furor<\/i> como reflectirse en s\u00ed del movimiento de un \u00f3rgano, de modo que ese reflectirse opera causalmente sobre el organismo.] Pues bien, en la vida corriente, al <i>furor<\/i> [<i>Zorn<\/i>], por ejemplo, en cuanto tal hacer [<i>Thun<\/i>] interior, se lo sit\u00faa en el h\u00edgado; Plat\u00f3n X160X<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007770000000000000000_3849\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_3849-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_3849-2\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\">Plat\u00f3n, <i>Timeo<\/i>, 71 c-e.<\/span> le concede a\u00fan algo m\u00e1s alto [algo m\u00e1s alto que el solo car\u00e1cter de un hacer interior], que seg\u00fan algunos incluso es lo supremo, a saber: el don de la profec\u00eda o el don de expresar (aunque sea de forma no racional) lo santo y lo eterno. S\u00f3lo que el movimiento que el individuo tiene en el h\u00edgado, en el coraz\u00f3n, etc., no puede considerarse movimiento del individuo, enteramente reflectido ese movimiento en s\u00ed, sino que m\u00e1s bien ese movimiento en el h\u00edgado, en el coraz\u00f3n, etc., es de suerte que al individuo ese movimiento le viene ya inscrito en el cuerpo [no es movimiento de un <i>organon<\/i> mediante el que est\u00e9 actuando la individualidad, sino movimiento simplemente inscrito en el organismo y no un estar haciendo ella] y ese movimiento no tiene sino una existencia animal que desde el cuerpo se vuelve contra la exterioridad. [Por tanto, hemos de buscar otro \u00f3rgano.]<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Algunas aclaraciones<\/span><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>X<\/b><b>160<\/b><b>X =<\/b> Plat\u00f3n, <i>Timeo<\/i>, 71 c-e.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1656 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/plato_good-27-198x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"89\" height=\"135\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/plato_good-27-198x300.jpg 198w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/plato_good-27.jpg 211w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 89px) 100vw, 89px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00327\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00325\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Madrid<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>2<\/b><b>6<\/b><b>]<\/b> En la vida ordinaria, la c\u00f3lera, por ejemplo, como tal actividad interna, se ubica en el h\u00edgado; Plat\u00f3n XX*X<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"3\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007770000000000000000_3849\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_3849-3\">3<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_3849-3\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"3\">Hegel alude al <i>Timeo<\/i> 71 c-e.<\/span> incluso le otorga a \u00e9ste un don superior, incluso el don supremo, seg\u00fan algunos: a saber, el don de la profec\u00eda, de enunciar de manera no racional lo sagrado y lo eterno. Sin embargo, el movimiento que tenga el individuo en el h\u00edgado, el coraz\u00f3n, etc\u00e9tera, no puede ser visto como el movimiento totalmente reflexionado dentro de s\u00ed de ese individuo, sino que m\u00e1s bien est\u00e1 en \u00e9l de tal manera que ya le palpitaba en el cuerpo y tiene una existencia animal que se vuelve hacia fuera, frente a la exterioridad.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Algunas aclaraciones<\/span><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>XX*X =<\/b> Hegel alude al <i>Timeo<\/i> 71 c-e.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00327\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00325\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversations in Washington<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[<\/b><b>3<\/b><b>2<\/b><b>6<\/b><b>]<\/b> [326]<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"4\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007770000000000000000_3849\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_3849-4\">4<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_3849-4\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"4\">We kept the numeration given by the editor in the printed edition<\/span> Now, for example, in ordinary life anger, as itself such an inner doing, is mistakenly located as lying in the liver. Plato assigns to the liver something even higher, something which to many is even the highest of all, namely, prophesying, or the gift of making pronouncements about the holy and the eternal in an irrational manner.<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"5\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007770000000000000000_3849\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_3849-5\">5<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_3849-5\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"5\">Plato, <i>Timaeus<\/i>, 71 c-e.<\/span> Yet the movement which the individual has in his liver, heart, and so forth cannot be regarded as the individual\u2019s movement entirely reflected into itself. Rather, that movement is instead in those places where it has already acquired a bodily stamp and where it is in possession of an animal existence which is moving itself outwards towards external reality.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00327\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00325\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en el <em>Atrium<\/em><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-7044\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"242\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg 242w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-827x1024.jpg 827w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-768x951.jpg 768w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-300x371.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church.jpg 1018w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 242px) 100vw, 242px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00327\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00325\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"wiki_cats":[18],"wiki_tags":[],"class_list":["post-3849","yada_wiki","type-yada_wiki","status-publish","hentry","wiki_cats-fenomenologia"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki\/3849","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/yada_wiki"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3849"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki\/3849\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":9588,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki\/3849\/revisions\/9588"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3849"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"wiki_cats","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/wiki_cats?post=3849"},{"taxonomy":"wiki_tags","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/wiki_tags?post=3849"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}