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\u03b5\u1f30 \u03bc\u1f74 \u03c4\u1f70 \u03c3\u03c4\u03bf\u03b9\u03c7\u03b5\u1fd6\u03b1 \u03c3\u03c5\u03bb\u03bb\u03b1\u03b2\u1fc6\u03c2 \u03bc\u03ad\u03c1\u03b7 \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u03af\u03bd, \u1f14\u03c7\u03b5\u03b9\u03c2 \u1f04\u03bb\u03bb\u1fbd \u1f04\u03c4\u03c4\u03b1 \u03b5\u1f30\u03c0\u03b5\u1fd6\u03bd \u1f03 \u03bc\u03ad\u03c1\u03b7 \u03bc\u03ad\u03bd \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u03b9 \u03c3\u03c5\u03bb\u03bb\u03b1\u03b2\u1fc6\u03c2, \u03bf\u1f50 \u03bc\u03ad\u03bd\u03c4\u03bf\u03b9 \u03c3\u03c4\u03bf\u03b9\u03c7\u03b5\u1fd6\u03ac \u03b3\u1fbd \u1f10\u03ba\u03b5\u03af\u03bd\u03b7\u03c2;<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"grc-GR\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>\u0398<\/b><b>\u0395\u0391\u0399<\/b>. \u2014 \u03bf\u1f50\u03b4\u03b1\u03bc\u1ff6\u03c2. \u03b5\u1f30 \u03b3\u03ac\u03c1, \u1f66 \u03a3\u03ce\u03ba\u03c1\u03b1\u03c4\u03b5\u03c2, \u03bc\u03cc\u03c1\u03b9\u1fbd \u1f04\u03c4\u03c4\u1fbd \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u1fc6\u03c2 \u03c3\u03c5\u03b3\u03c7\u03c9\u03c1\u03bf\u03af\u03b7\u03bd, \u03b3\u03b5\u03bb\u03bf\u1fd6\u03cc\u03bd \u03c0\u03bf\u03c5 \u03c4\u1f70 \u03c3\u03c4\u03bf\u03b9\u03c7\u03b5\u1fd6\u03b1 \u1f00\u03c6\u03ad\u03bd\u03c4\u03b1 \u1f10\u03c0\u1fbd \u1f04\u03bb\u03bb\u03b1 \u1f30\u03ad\u03bd\u03b1\u03b9.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/theaetetus-205c\/\">Perge ad sequens caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/theaetetus-205a\/\">Redde ad prius caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Redde ad indicem<\/p>\n<h1 lang=\"grc-GR\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Theaetetus 205 b<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>So<\/b><\/i><i><b>crates<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Rursus vero, id quod modo instituebam dicere, nonne, si syllaba non est elementa, necesse est [205b] eam non tu partes suas habere elementa, aut, si idem sit atque illa, aeque atque illa in cognitionem cadere?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>Theaetetus<\/b><\/i><i>.<\/i> \u2014 Ita.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>So<\/b><\/i><i>.<\/i> \u2014 Nonne hoc ne consequeretur, diversam ab illis eam existimavimus?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>Theae<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Etiam.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>So<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Quid? si elementa non sunt syllabae partes, habesne alia quaedam dicere, quae partes quidem sint syllabae, non tamen eius elementa?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>Theae<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Neutiquam, Socrate, partes eius esse concesserim; ridiculum enim foret elementis dimissis ad alia pergere.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/theaetetus-205c\/\">Perge ad sequens caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/theaetetus-205a\/\">Redde ad prius caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Redde ad indicem<\/p>\n<h1 lang=\"grc-GR\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Teeteto 205 b (en Caracas)<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>S<\/b><\/i><i><b>\u00f3crates<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Volvamos a lo que intentaba: si la s\u00edlaba no es los elementos, de necesidad no ha de tenerlos cual partes suyas; o si es lo mismo [205 b] que ellos, \u00bfno habr\u00eda de ser cognoscible de igual manera?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>Teeteto<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 De igual.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>S<\/b><\/i><i><b>\u00f3c<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Mas para que no suceda esto, \u00bfno la pusimos cual diversa de ellos?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>T<\/b><\/i><i><b>eet<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 S\u00ed.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>S<\/b><\/i><i><b>\u00f3c<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Bien, pues: si los elementos de la s\u00edlaba no son sus partes, \u00bftienes c\u00f3mo se\u00f1alar otras cosas que sean partes de la s\u00edlaba, mas no elementos de ella?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>T<\/b><\/i><i><b>eet<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 De ninguna manera. Porque, S\u00f3crates, si advirtiera haber otra clase de partes de la s\u00edlaba, \u00bfno ser\u00eda rid\u00edculo despedir los elementos e ir por otras cosas?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/theaetetus-205c\/\">Perge ad sequens caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/theaetetus-205a\/\">Redde ad prius caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Redde ad indicem<\/p>\n<h1 lang=\"grc-GR\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Teeteto 205 b (en Madrid)<br \/>\n<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>S<\/b><\/i><i><b>\u00f3crates<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Esto es, precisamente, lo que intentaba decir hace un momento: si el compuesto no es lo mismo que los elementos, es necesario [205 b] que aqu\u00e9l no posea los elementos como partes de s\u00ed mismo. Ahora bien, si es lo mismo que \u00e9stos, tendra que ser tan cognoscible como ellos.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>Teeteto<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 As\u00ed es.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>S<\/b><\/i><i><b>\u00d3C<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Para que no se diera esta circunstancia, sosten\u00edamos que el compuesto es diferente de los elementos. \u00bfNo es verdad?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>TEET<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 S\u00ed.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>SOC<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 \u00bfY bien? 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