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\u03bf\u1f57 \u03b4\u1fbd \u1f02\u03bd \u1f00\u03c0\u03bf\u03c3\u03c4\u03b1\u03c4\u1fc7, \u03bf\u1f54\u03c4\u03b5 \u1f45\u03bb\u03bf\u03bd \u03bf\u1f54\u03c4\u03b5 \u03c0\u1fb6\u03bd, \u1f05\u03bc\u03b1 \u03b3\u03b5\u03bd\u03cc\u03bc\u03b5\u03bd\u03bf\u03bd \u1f10\u03ba \u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u03bf\u1fe6 \u03c4\u1f78 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u03cc;<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"grc-GR\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>\u0398<\/b><b>\u0395\u0391\u0399<\/b>. \u2014 \u03b4\u03bf\u03ba\u03b5\u1fd6 \u03bc\u03bf\u03b9 \u03bd\u1fe6\u03bd \u03bf\u1f50\u03b4\u1f72\u03bd \u03b4\u03b9\u03b1\u03c6\u03ad\u03c1\u03b5\u03b9\u03bd \u03c0\u1fb6\u03bd \u03c4\u03b5 \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u1f45\u03bb\u03bf\u03bd.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"grc-GR\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>\u03a3<\/b><b>\u03a9<\/b>. \u2014 \u03bf\u1f50\u03ba\u03bf\u1fe6\u03bd \u1f10\u03bb\u03ad\u03b3\u03bf\u03bc\u03b5\u03bd \u1f45\u03c4\u03b9 \u03bf\u1f57 \u1f02\u03bd \u03bc\u03ad\u03c1\u03b7 \u1f96, \u03c4\u1f78 \u1f45\u03bb\u03bf\u03bd \u03c4\u03b5 \u03ba\u03b1\u1f76 \u03c0\u1fb6\u03bd \u03c4\u1f70 \u03c0\u03ac\u03bd\u03c4\u03b1 \u03bc\u03ad\u03c1\u03b7 \u1f14\u03c3\u03c4\u03b1\u03b9;<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"grc-GR\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>\u0398<\/b><b>\u0395\u0391\u0399<\/b>. \u2014 \u03c0\u03ac\u03bd\u03c5 \u03b3\u03b5.<\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"grc-GR\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>\u03a3<\/b><b>\u03a9<\/b>. \u2014 \u03c0\u03ac\u03bb\u03b9\u03bd \u03b4\u03ae, \u1f45\u03c0\u03b5\u03c1 \u1f04\u03c1\u03c4\u03b9 \u1f10\u03c0\u03b5\u03c7\u03b5\u03af\u03c1\u03bf\u03c5\u03bd, \u03bf\u1f50\u03ba, \u03b5\u1f34\u03c0\u03b5\u03c1 \u1f21 <\/span><\/p>\n<p lang=\"grc-GR\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[(b) [205\u03b2] \u03c3\u03c5\u03bb\u03bb\u03b1\u03b2\u1f74 \u03bc\u1f74 \u03c4\u1f70 \u03c3\u03c4\u03bf\u03b9\u03c7\u03b5\u1fd6\u03ac \u1f10\u03c3\u03c4\u03b9\u03bd, \u1f00\u03bd\u03ac\u03b3\u03ba\u03b7 \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u1f74\u03bd \u03bc\u1f74 \u1f61\u03c2 \u03bc\u03ad\u03c1\u03b7 \u1f14\u03c7\u03b5\u03b9\u03bd \u1f11\u03b1\u03c5\u03c4\u1fc6\u03c2 \u03c4\u1f70 \u03c3\u03c4\u03bf\u03b9\u03c7\u03b5\u1fd6\u03b1, \u1f22 \u03c4\u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u1f78\u03bd \u03bf\u1f56\u03c3\u03b1\u03bd \u03b1\u1f50\u03c4\u03bf\u1fd6\u03c2 \u1f41\u03bc\u03bf\u03af\u03c9\u03c2 \u1f10\u03ba\u03b5\u03af\u03bd\u03bf\u03b9\u03c2 \u03b3\u03bd\u03c9\u03c3\u03c4\u1f74\u03bd \u03b5\u1f36\u03bd\u03b1\u03b9;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/theaetetus-205b\/\">Perge ad sequens caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Redde ad prius caput<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Redde ad indicem<\/p>\n<h1 lang=\"grc-GR\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Theaetetus 205 a<br \/>\n<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>Socrates<\/b><\/i>. <span lang=\"grc-GR\">\u2014 <\/span>Viriliter, Theaetete, pugnas. Universum tamen nonne, quum nihil abest, hoc ipsum universum est?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>Theaetetus<\/b><\/i><i>.<\/i> \u2014 Necesse est.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>So<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Totum vero nonne idem hoc erit, quod nulla omnino re deficitur? quod vero deficitur, neque totum est neque universum, quod quidem idem simul ex eodem exsistit?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>Theae<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Videtur mihi nunc nihil differre universum et totum. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>So<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Nonne diximus, totum et universum id cuius partes exstarent, cunctas esse partes?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>Theae<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Sane quidem.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>So<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Rursus vero, id quod modo instituebam dicere, nonne, si syllaba non est elementa, necesse est eam non tu partes suas habere elementa, aut, si idem sit atque illa, aeque atque illa in cognitionem cadere?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/theaetetus-205b\/\">Perge ad sequens caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Redde ad prius caput<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Redde ad indicem<\/p>\n<h1 lang=\"grc-GR\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Teeteto 205 a (en Caracas)<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>S<\/b><\/i><i><b>\u00f3crates<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Virilmente peleas, Teeteto. El Total, \u00bfno es eso mismo: Total, cuando no le le falta nada?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>T<\/b><\/i><i><b>eeteto<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Necesariamente.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>S<\/b><\/i><i><b>\u00f3c<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 \u00bfMas \u00abTodo\u00bb no ser\u00e1 eso mismo: \u00aba lo que nada falta\u00bb? Pero aquello a lo que algo falta, no ser\u00e1 ni Todo ni Total que, a la vez, se engendran ellos mismos el uno del otro.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>T<\/b><\/i><i><b>eet<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Par\u00e9ceme, pues, ahora que en nada se diferencian Total y Todo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>S<\/b><\/i><i><b>\u00f3c<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 \u00bfNo dec\u00edamos, pues, que, en lo que haya partes, el Todo y el Total son \u00abtodas\u00bb las partes?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>T<\/b><\/i><i><b>eet<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Ciertamente.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>S<\/b><\/i><i><b>\u00f3c<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Volvamos a lo que intentaba: si la s\u00edlaba no es los elementos, de necesidad no ha de tenerlos cual partes suyas; o si es lo mismo [b] que ellos, \u00bfno habr\u00eda de ser cognoscible de igual manera?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/theaetetus-205b\/\">Perge ad sequens caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Redde ad prius caput<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Redde ad indicem<\/p>\n<h1 lang=\"grc-GR\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Teeteto 205 a (en Madrid)<br \/>\n<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>S<\/b><\/i><i><b>\u00f3crates<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Desde luego, peleas vigorosamente, Teeteto. Pero, \u00bfno es la suma eso mismo, es decir, la suma, cuando no le falta nada?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>T<\/b><\/i><i><b>eeteto<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Necesariamente.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>S<\/b><\/i><i><b>\u00d3C<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 \u00bfY no ser\u00e1 el todo esto mismo, es decir, aquello a lo que no le falta nada en absoluto? Ahora bien, si le falta algo, \u00bfno ser\u00e1 el todo ni la suma, ya que en los dos casos, si se da esa misma circunstancia, se produce el mismo resultado? \u00bfQu\u00e9 opinas tu?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>TEET<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 En este momento me parece que la suma y el todo no se diferencian en nada.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>S<\/b><\/i><i><b>\u00d3C<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 \u00bfNo dec\u00edamos que, si algo tiene partes, el todo y la suma han de ser todas las partes?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>TEET<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Efectivamente.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><i><b>S<\/b><\/i><i><b>\u00d3C<\/b><\/i>. \u2014 Esto es, precisamente, lo que intentaba decir hace un momento: si el compuesto no es lo mismo que los elementos, es necesario [b] que aqu\u00e9l no posea los elementos como partes de s\u00ed mismo. 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