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Kraft und Verstand, Erscheinung und \u00fcbersinnliche Welt]<\/span><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[Los dos universales; la fuerza y el interior de las cosas; interior, fen\u00f3meno y apariencia; el interior como objeto]<\/span><\/p>\n\n<h1 lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Gespr\u00e4che in Jena<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[142]<\/b> Insofern wir <i>das erste<\/i> Allgemeine als den <i>Begriff<\/i> des Verstandes betrachten, worin die Kraft noch nicht f\u00fcr sich ist, so ist das zweite Jetzt ihr <i>Wesen<\/i>, wie es sich <i>an<\/i> und <i>f\u00fcr sich<\/i> darstellt. Oder umgekehrt, betrachten wir das erste Allgemeine als das <i>Unmittelbare<\/i>, das ein <i>wirklicher<\/i> Gegenstand f\u00fcr das Bewu\u00dftsein sein sollte, so ist dies zweite als das <i>Negative<\/i> der sinnlich gegenst\u00e4ndlichen Kraft bestimmt; es ist sie, wie sie in ihrem wahren Wesen nur als <i>Gegenstand des Verstandes<\/i> ist; jenes erste w\u00e4re die in sich zur\u00fcckgedr\u00e4ngte Kraft oder sie als Substanz; dies zweite aber ist das<i> <\/i><i>Innere<\/i> [115] der Dinge, als <i>Inneres<\/i>, welches mit dem Begriffe als Begriff dasselbe ist.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00143\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00141\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Valencia<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[Los dos universales; la fuerza y el interior de las cosas; interior, fen\u00f3meno y apariencia; el interior como objeto]<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[142]<\/b> En cuanto nosotros consider\u00e1bamos [o hemos considerado] el <i>primer universal<\/i> como el <i>concepto<\/i> del entendimiento, en el cual concepto la fuerza todav\u00eda no es para s\u00ed, resulta que el segundo universal es ahora el ser [<i>Wesen<\/i>] de la fuerza tal como ese ser [<i>Wesen<\/i>] se presenta y ofrece en s\u00ed y para s\u00ed. O a la inversa: si el primer universal lo consider\u00e1bamos como <i>lo inmediato<\/i> que hab\u00eda de ser un objeto <i>real<\/i> para la conciencia, resulta que este segundo universal X10X<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007910000000000000000_2073\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007910000000000000000_2073-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007910000000000000000_2073-1\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">El primer universal era la noci\u00f3n, pensamiento o <i>Gedanke<\/i> de la fuerza. El segundo era el resultante de la p\u00e9rdida de realidad de la fuerza.<\/span> viene determinado o definido [o consiste en] lo <i>negativo<\/i> de la fuerza sensiblemente objetiva, es decir, [consiste] en la negaci\u00f3n de la objetualidad sensible de \u00e9sta [esto es, viene definido como la negaci\u00f3n de la fuerza en el car\u00e1cter de \u00e9sta de objeto sensible; es decir, como la negaci\u00f3n de la fuerza en cuanto \u00e9sta viene considerada como objeto sensible]; ese universal [el segundo universal] es la fuerza, tal como esa fuerza es ahora en su verdadero ser [<i>Wesen<\/i>] s\u00f3lo como<i> objeto del<\/i> <i>entendimiento<\/i>; y aquel primer universal ser\u00eda la fuerza contenida, acumulada, represada en s\u00ed [<i>zur\u00fcckgedr\u00e4ngte<\/i>], o la fuerza como sustancia; este segundo universal es el <i>interior<\/i> de las cosas, en cuanto interior, lo cual es lo mismo que el <i>concepto como concepto<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00143\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00141\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Madrid<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[142]<\/b> En la medida en que consideremos <i>el primer universal<\/i> como el concepto del entendimiento donde la fuerza no es todav\u00eda para s\u00ed, el segundo ser\u00e1 ahora la esencia de la fuerza tal como se presenta en y para s\u00ed. O bien, a la inversa, si consideramos el primer universal como lo <i>inmediato<\/i> que supuestamente era un objeto <i>efectivamente real<\/i> para la conciencia, este segundo quedar\u00e1 determinado como lo <i>negativo<\/i> de la fuerza objetual sensible; es ella tal ella es en su verdadera esencia, s\u00f3lo como <i>objeto del entendimiento<\/i>; aquel primer universal ser\u00eda la fuerza hecha retroceder hacia s\u00ed, o la fuerza como substancia; mientras que este segundo es lo <i>interior<\/i> de las cosas en cuanto <i>interior<\/i> que es lo mismo que el concepto como concepto.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00143\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00141\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversations in Washington<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[1<\/b><b>4<\/b><b>2<\/b><b>]<\/b> [142]<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007910000000000000000_2073\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007910000000000000000_2073-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007910000000000000000_2073-2\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\">We kept the numeration given by the editor in the printed edition<\/span> Insofar as we consider <i>the first<\/i> universal as the <i>concept<\/i> of the understanding, in which force does not yet exist for itself, so the second universal is now its <i>essence<\/i> as it exhibits itself <i>in<\/i> and <i>for itself<\/i>. Or, conversely, if we regard the first universal as the <i>immediate<\/i>, which is supposed to be an <i>actual<\/i> object for consciousness, then this second universal is determined as the <i>negative<\/i> of the sensuously objective force. It is force as it is in its true essence, as <i>the object of the understanding<\/i>. The former, the first universal, would be the force driven back into itself, or the force as substance; however, the second universal is the <i>inner<\/i> of things as the <i>inner<\/i>, which is the same as the concept as concept.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00143\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00141\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en el <em>Atrium<\/em><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-7044\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"242\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg 242w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-827x1024.jpg 827w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-768x951.jpg 768w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-300x371.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church.jpg 1018w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 242px) 100vw, 242px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00143\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00141\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"wiki_cats":[18],"wiki_tags":[],"class_list":["post-2073","yada_wiki","type-yada_wiki","status-publish","hentry","wiki_cats-fenomenologia"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.8 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Parte de: A. 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