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Die Wahrnehmung oder das Ding und die T\u00e4uschung]<\/strong><i><br \/>\n<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[El objeto percibido]<\/span><\/p>\n\n<h1 lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Gespr\u00e4che in Jena<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><strong>[112]<\/strong> Dieser Gegenstand ist nun n\u00e4her zu bestimmen und diese Bestimmung aus dem Resultate, das sich ergeben, kurz zu [93] entwickeln; die ausgef\u00fchrtere Entwicklung geh\u00f6rt nicht hierher. Da sein Prinzip, das Allgemeine, in seiner Einfachheit ein <i>vermitteltes<\/i> ist, so mu\u00df er dies als seine Natur an ihm ausdr\u00fccken; er zeigt sich dadurch als <i>das Ding von vielen Eigenschaften<\/i>. Der Reichtum des sinnlichen Wissens geh\u00f6rt der Wahrnehmung, nicht der unmittelbaren Gewi\u00dfheit an, an der er nur das Beiherspielende war; denn nur jene hat die <i>Negation<\/i>, den Unterschied oder die Mannigfaltigkeit an ihrem Wesen.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00113\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00111\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Valencia<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[El objeto percibido]<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[112]<\/b> Pasemos a determinar algo m\u00e1s el objeto, y a desarrollar brevemente esta determinaci\u00f3n a partir del resultado que hemos obtenido [cap. I] [del resultado por el que de antemano el principio de la percepci\u00f3n ha resultado ser lo universal]; el desarrollo m\u00e1s preciso y detallado no pertenece a este lugar XX7X.<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_1777\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1777-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1777-1\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">Me parece que lo que el autor est\u00e1 diciendo es que aqu\u00ed se va a limitar a una \u00abbreve explicaci\u00f3n\u00bb del objeto de la percepci\u00f3n porque la explicaci\u00f3n m\u00e1s detallada de ese objeto pertenece a la \u00abrepetici\u00f3n\u00bb de esta tem\u00e1tica que representa el cap. V, A. Pero como incluso W. Bonsiepen y R. Heede, tan quisquillosos en esta clase de pasajes, guardan silencio, no estoy seguro.<\/span> Como su principio [como el principio de ese objeto] es lo universal, es decir, como su principio es algo <i>mediado<\/i> en la simpleza que exhibe, resulta que el objeto tiene que expresar en s\u00ed mismo esto como naturaleza suya; y, por tanto, se muestra como <i>la cosa de muchas propiedades<\/i> XX8X.<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_1777\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1777-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1777-2\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\">Es decir, la cosa es una unidad que consta de notas universales (es blanca, salada, c\u00fabica, etc.) y a la vez es un caso de la clase de cosas (de un universal, por tanto) que se caracterizan por constar de tales notas universales, es una <i>sal<\/i>.<\/span> La riqueza del saber sensible pertenece, pues, a la percepci\u00f3n y no tanto a aquella certeza inmediata en la que esa riqueza no hac\u00eda m\u00e1s que venir puesta en juego, que ser tra\u00edda a colaci\u00f3n XX9X,<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"3\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_1777\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1777-3\">3<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1777-3\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"3\">El <i>aqu<\/i><i>\u00ed<\/i> este no es sino un ejemplo (una instancia) del Aqu\u00ed, al igual que todos los dem\u00e1s aqu\u00edes.<\/span> pues s\u00f3lo la percepci\u00f3n tiene en su propia esencia [es decir, dentro de ella, y no s\u00f3lo a t\u00edtulo de elemento que entra a jugar desde fuera] la <i>negaci\u00f3n<\/i>; [es decir] la diferencia y la diversidad.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Algunas aclaraciones<\/span><\/h2>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>XX7X<\/b> = Me parece que lo que el autor est\u00e1 diciendo es que aqu\u00ed se va a limitar a una \u00abbreve explicaci\u00f3n\u00bb del objeto de la percepci\u00f3n porque la explicaci\u00f3n m\u00e1s detallada de ese objeto pertenece a la \u00abrepetici\u00f3n\u00bb de esta tem\u00e1tica que representa el cap. V, A. Pero como incluso W. Bonsiepen y R. Heede, tan quisquillosos en esta clase de pasajes, guardan silencio, no estoy seguro.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>XX8X<\/b> = Es decir, la cosa es una unidad que consta de notas universales (es blanca, salada, c\u00fabica, etc.) y a la vez es un caso de la clase de cosas (de un universal, por tanto) que se caracterizan por constar de tales notas universales, es una <i>sal<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>XX9X<\/b> = El <i>aqu<\/i><i>\u00ed<\/i> este no es sino un ejemplo (una instancia) del Aqu\u00ed, al igual que todos los dem\u00e1s aqu\u00edes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00113\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00111\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Madrid<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><strong>[112]<\/strong> Se trata, ahora, de determinar m\u00e1s de cerca ese objeto, y de desarrollar brevemente esta determinaci\u00f3n a partir del resultado que se ha producido; el desarrollo m\u00e1s detallado no tiene su lugar aqu\u00ed. Como el principio del objeto es lo universal y es, en su simplicidad, algo mediado, el objeto tiene que expresar esto como su naturaleza en \u00e9l; se muestra as\u00ed como <i>la cosa con muchas propied<\/i><i>a<\/i><i>des<\/i>. La riqueza del saber sensible pertenece a la percepci\u00f3n, no a la certeza inmediata, en la que \u00e9sta riqueza s\u00f3lo era lo que jugaba en muchos ejemplos, pues s\u00f3lo la percepci\u00f3n tiene en su esencia la <i>negaci\u00f3n<\/i>, la diferencia o la multiplicidad.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00113\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00111\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversarions in Washington<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><b>[112]<\/b> [112]<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"4\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_1777\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1777-4\">4<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1777-4\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"4\">We kept the numeration given by the editor in the printed edition<\/span> This object is now to be more precisely determined, and this determination is itself to be briefly developed from the results which have arisen. (At this point in the exposition, a more thorough development is not appropriate.) Since the object\u2019s principle, the universal, is in its simplicity a <i>mediated<\/i> simplicity, the object must express this on its own as its nature, and it thereby shows itself to be a <i>thing of many properties<\/i>. The wealth of sensuous knowing belongs to perception, not to immediate certainty, in which the object was only ancillary, for only the former (perception) has <i>negation<\/i> (the difference, or multiplicity) in its essence.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00113\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00111\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en el <em>Atrium<\/em><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-7044\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"242\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg 242w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-827x1024.jpg 827w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-768x951.jpg 768w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-300x371.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church.jpg 1018w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 242px) 100vw, 242px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00113\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00111\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"wiki_cats":[18],"wiki_tags":[],"class_list":["post-1777","yada_wiki","type-yada_wiki","status-publish","hentry","wiki_cats-fenomenologia"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.8 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Parte de: A. 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