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{"id":1677,"date":"2023-04-20T12:38:19","date_gmt":"2023-04-20T12:38:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/?post_type=yada_wiki&#038;p=1677"},"modified":"2024-07-03T16:16:58","modified_gmt":"2024-07-03T16:16:58","slug":"gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00098","status":"publish","type":"yada_wiki","link":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00098\/","title":{"rendered":"Gespr\u00e4che in der D\u00e4mmerung 00098"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Parte de:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">A. Conciencia [A. Bewu\u00dftsein] \/ <strong>I: La certeza sensible; o el esto y el <i>Meynen<\/i> (el querer decir que se queda en el querer decir)<\/strong> [<strong>I. Die sinnliche Gewi\u00dfheit oder das Diese und das Meinen]<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[El esto, el aqu\u00ed y el ahora; aquello en que se est\u00e1 pensando, o se est\u00e1 suponiendo o se est\u00e1 queriendo decir, el <i>Meynen<\/i>]<\/span><\/p>\n\n<h1 lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Gespr\u00e4che in Jena<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><strong>[98]<\/strong> Es wird derselbe Fall sein mit der anderen Form des Dieses, mit dem <i>Hier<\/i>. Das <i>Hier<\/i> ist z.B. der <i>Baum<\/i>. Ich wende mich um, so ist diese Wahrheit verschwunden und hat sich in die entgegengesetzte verkehrt: <i>Das Hier ist nicht ein Baum<\/i>, sondern vielmehr ein <i>Haus<\/i>. Das <i>Hier<\/i> selbst verschwindet nicht; sondern <i>es ist<\/i> bleibend im Verschwinden des Hauses, Baumes usf. und gleichg\u00fcltig, Haus, Baum zu sein. Das <i>Dieses<\/i> zeigt sich also wieder als <i>vermittelte Einfachheit<\/i> oder als <i>Allgemeinheit<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00099\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00097\/\">P\u00e1rafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Valencia<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><strong>[98]<\/strong> Y lo mismo ocurrir\u00e1 con la otra forma del esto [o del \u00abeste\u00bb], es decir, con el<i> aqu\u00ed<\/i>. El <i>aqu\u00ed<\/i> es, por ejemplo, un <i>\u00e1rbol<\/i>. [<i>Der Baum hier<\/i>, el \u00e1rbol-aqu\u00ed, es una forma corriente de decir en alem\u00e1n \u00abeste \u00e1rbol, \u00e9ste, \u00e9ste de aqu\u00ed\u00bb]. Pero me vuelvo y resulta que esta verdad ha desaparecido, que se ha invertido y se ha trocado en la opuesta: <i>el aqu<\/i><i>\u00ed<\/i><i> no es un \u00e1rbol<\/i>, sino que ahora es <i>una casa<\/i>. Pero el aqu\u00ed, \u00e9l mismo, no desaparece; sino que es <i>algo que se queda<\/i> en el desaparecer de la casa, del \u00e1rbol y de todo lo que fuere, y que adem\u00e1s es indiferente [y vale por igual] XX7X<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_1677\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1677-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1677-1\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\"><em>Vide infra<\/em> <strong>Algunas aclaraciones <a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00098\/#xx7x\">XX7X<\/a><\/strong>.<\/span> en lo que respecta a ser casa, \u00e1rbol, etc. El <i>esto<\/i> mu\u00e9strase, pues, aqu\u00ed otra vez como <i>simplicidad <\/i><i>mediada<\/i>, o como <i>universalidad<\/i> XX8X.<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_1677\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1677-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1677-2\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\"><em>Vide infra<\/em> <strong>Algunas aclaraciones <a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00098\/#xx8x\">XX8X<\/a><\/strong>.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Algunas aclaraciones<\/span><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">XX7X<\/span><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">El autor emplea el t\u00e9rmino <i>gleich-g\u00fclt<\/i><i>i<\/i><i>g<\/i>, que en alem\u00e1n corriente significa \u00abindiferente\u00bb, \u00abque da igual\u00bb, y que est\u00e1 compuesto de los t\u00e9rminos <i>gleich<\/i> (igual) y <i>gl\u00fctig<\/i> (v\u00e1lido), y al que, por tanto, se puede hacer decir:<i> <\/i><i>que vale por igual, que es igualmente v\u00e1lido de muchas cosas, que es un universal que, por tanto, conviene a muchos<\/i>. El autor est\u00e1 haciendo decir a <i>gleichg\u00fcltig<\/i> ambas cosas, <i>indiferente<\/i> y <i>universal<\/i><em>.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">XX8X<\/span><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Observe el lector que todo esto es as\u00ed porque alguien lo est\u00e1 diciendo. Al final del cap. III resultar\u00e1 que esta <i>universalidad<\/i>, que esta <i>simplicidad mediada<\/i>, en la que se resuelve el <i>Seyn<\/i> de la certeza sensible, no acabar\u00e1 siendo sino la <i>autoconciencia<\/i> dicente misma. En la parte intermedia del libro el lector se encontrar\u00e1 varias veces con la afirmaci\u00f3n (que puede resultar extra\u00f1a) de que el <i>Seyn<\/i> de la <i>certeza sensible<\/i> no es sino la autoconciencia misma. V\u00e9ase tambi\u00e9n sobre ello el fragmento recogido en el ap\u00e9ndice que lleva por t\u00edtulo \u00abLa ciencia\u00bb.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00099\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00097\/\">P\u00e1rafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Madrid<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><strong>[98]<\/strong> Lo mismo ocurrir\u00e1 en el caso de la otra forma del esto, la del <i>aqu\u00ed<\/i>. El <i>aqu\u00ed<\/i> es, por ejemplo, el <i>\u00e1rbol<\/i>. Me doy la vuelta, y ya ha desaparecido esta verdad, se ha invertido en lo opuesto: el <i>aqu\u00ed<\/i> no es <i>un \u00e1rbol<\/i>, sino <i>una casa<\/i>. El propio<i> <\/i><i>ahora<\/i> no desaparece; sino que <i>es<\/i> permanentemente en el desaparecer de la casa, del \u00e1rbol, etc\u00e9tera, y le es indiferente ser casa, o \u00e1rbol. El <i>\u00e9ste<\/i> se vuelve a mostrar, entonces, como <i>simplicidad mediada<\/i>, o como <i>universalidad<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00099\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00097\/\">P\u00e1rafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversations in Washington<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><strong>[98]<\/strong> [98]<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"3\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"000000000000078b0000000000000000_1677\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1677-3\">3<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-000000000000078b0000000000000000_1677-3\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"3\">We kept the numeration given by the editor in the printed edition<\/span> The same case comes up in the other form of the This, namely, in the <i>Here<\/i>. For example, <i>here<\/i> is the <i>tree<\/i>. I turn around, this truth vanishes, and it has inverted itself into its contrary: <i>Here<\/i> there is <i>not a tree<\/i> but rather a <i>house<\/i>. The <i>Here<\/i> itself does not disappear, rather it <i>endures<\/i> in the disappearance of the house, the tree, etc., and it is indifferent to being a house, a tree. The <i>This<\/i> shows itself again to be a <i>mediated simplicity<\/i>, or as being <i>universality<\/i>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00099\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00097\/\">P\u00e1rafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en el <em>Atrium<\/em><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-7044\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"242\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg 242w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-827x1024.jpg 827w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-768x951.jpg 768w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-300x371.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church.jpg 1018w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 242px) 100vw, 242px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00099\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00097\/\">P\u00e1rafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"wiki_cats":[18],"wiki_tags":[],"class_list":["post-1677","yada_wiki","type-yada_wiki","status-publish","hentry","wiki_cats-fenomenologia"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.8 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Parte de: A. 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