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{"id":14327,"date":"2025-10-21T23:39:28","date_gmt":"2025-10-21T23:39:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/?post_type=yada_wiki&#038;p=14327"},"modified":"2025-10-22T10:58:48","modified_gmt":"2025-10-22T10:58:48","slug":"sobre-apologia-y-criton-struthio-020","status":"publish","type":"yada_wiki","link":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/sobre-apologia-y-criton-struthio-020\/","title":{"rendered":"Sobre Apolog\u00eda y Crit\u00f3n Str\u016bthi\u014d 020"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Parte de:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">\u00abSobre la Apolog\u00eda de S\u00f3crates y el Crit\u00f3n de Plat\u00f3n\u00bb \/ I<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13923 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Leo_Strauss_USA_1939-239x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"85\" height=\"106\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Leo_Strauss_USA_1939-239x300.jpg 239w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Leo_Strauss_USA_1939-300x376.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Leo_Strauss_USA_1939.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 85px) 100vw, 85px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 12pt; font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Le\u014dnardus Str\u016bthi\u014d (1899-1973)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #808000;\">\u0112RVD\u012aTI\u014cRIBVS <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/ervditioribvs\/\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt;\">***<\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n<h1><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Versi\u014d hisp\u0101nica Aemili\u0101 Aquad\u012bt\u012b auctr\u012bce 20<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Por lo tanto, S\u00f3crates habla en segundo t\u00e9rmino de aquello que se deduce si la muerte es, por as\u00ed decirlo, un alejarse de casa, de la propia gente, para ir a otro lugar donde, como se dijo, est\u00e1n todos los muertos; en ese caso, no habr\u00eda un bien mayor que la muerte. En el <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Inframundo_griego\">Hades<\/a>, uno encontrar\u00eda en primer lugar a todos los <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Semidi%C3%B3s#Semidioses_griegos\">semidioses<\/a> que fueron justos durante su vida y, los primeros entre ellos, a los verdaderos jueces, (<a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Minos\">Minos<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Radamantis\">Radamantis<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/%C3%89aco\">\u00c9aco<\/a> y <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tript%C3%B3lemo\">Tript\u00f3lemo<\/a>); S\u00f3crates no habla de los semidioses que fueron injustos durante su vida, ni de lo que les har\u00e1n los verdaderos jueces, y menos a\u00fan de lo que estos har\u00e1n a los hombres que actuaron injustamente en este mundo (como sus acusadores y quienes lo condenaron). En cambio, habla de otro gran don: en el Hades, uno podr\u00eda estar junto a <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Orfeo\">Orfeo<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Museo_(aedo)\">Museo<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hes%C3%ADodo\">Hes\u00edodo<\/a> y <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Homero\">Homero<\/a>, otro grupo de cuatro, a quienes <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Adimanto_de_Colito\">Adimanto<\/a> cita o menciona juntos como maestros de injusticia (<em>Rep\u00fablica<\/em>, 364c5-365a3). Para S\u00f3crates ser\u00eda maravilloso encontrarse all\u00ed con <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Palamedes_(mitolog%C3%ADa_griega)\">Palamedes<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/%C3%81yax_el_Grande\">\u00c1yax<\/a> el hijo de <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Telam%C3%B3n\">Telam\u00f3n<\/a> y otros antiguos, si los hay, que murieron a causa de un juicio injusto, y comparar su experiencia con las de ellos (\u00c1yax se suicid\u00f3). Pero lo m\u00e1s importante es que uno podr\u00eda pasar el tiempo en el examen y la b\u00fasqueda de quienes est\u00e1n all\u00ed, como de los que est\u00e1n aqu\u00ed, para saber qui\u00e9n de ellos es sabio y qui\u00e9n cree ser sabio sin serlo; conversar con <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Agamen%C3%B3n\">quien condujo<\/a> el gran ej\u00e9rcito contra Troya, o con <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Odiseo\">Odiseo<\/a> o <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/S%C3%ADsifo\">S\u00edsifo<\/a> u otros mil, hombres y mujeres, estar junto a ellos y examinarlos, ser\u00eda una felicidad inexpresable; es de presumir que quienes est\u00e1n all\u00ed no har\u00edan en modo alguno morir a nadie por este motivo, porque son m\u00e1s felices que quienes est\u00e1n aqu\u00ed en los otros aspectos y, adem\u00e1s, son en lo sucesivo inmortales, si las cosas que se dicen son ciertas. La vida en el Hades parece ser, entonces, feliz para todos, en especial para S\u00f3crates, que seguir\u00e1 all\u00ed con la vida que llevaba en Atenas y la mejorar\u00e1 sin temor a la pena capital y probablemente a ning\u00fan otro castigo. \u00bfEs malo morir, entonces? Si no es malo, S\u00f3crates no ser\u00e1 all\u00ed m\u00e1s feliz que aqu\u00ed (cf. <em>Pol\u00edtico<\/em>, 272b8-d12), a menos que el examen de Homero y sus h\u00e9roes y hero\u00ednas acreciente la felicidad. S\u00f3crates no hab\u00eda hablado de su examen de mujeres en Atenas.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/sobre-apologia-y-criton-struthio-021\/\">Perge ad sequ\u0113ns caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/sobre-apologia-y-criton-struthio-019\/\">Redde ad prius caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/sobre-apologia-y-criton-struthio-020\/\">Perge ad initium paginae huius<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/sobre-la-apologia-y-el-criton-struthio\/#indice-de-contenidos\">Perge ad indicem<\/a><\/p>\n<h1><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Le\u014dnard\u012b Str\u016bthi\u014dnis verba 20<\/span><\/h1>\n<p lang=\"en-GB\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Correspondingly Socrates speaks in the second place of what follows if death is, as it were, a going away from home, from one\u2019s people, to another place where, according to what is said, all the dead are; in that case there would be no greater good than death. In <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Greek_underworld\">Hades<\/a> one would find in the first place all the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Demigod#Classical\">half-gods<\/a> who were just during their life and among them in the first place the true judges (<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Minos\">Minos<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Rhadamanthus\">Rhadamanthys<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Aeacus\">Aiakos<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Triptolemus\">Triptolemos<\/a>); Socrates does not speak of the half-gods who were unjust during their lives, nor of what the true judges will do to them and still less of what <\/span><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">they will do to men who acted unjustly here (like his accusers and condemners). Instead he speaks of another great boon: in Hades one might come together with <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Orpheus\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">Orpheus<\/span><\/a><span lang=\"en-GB\">, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Musaeus_of_Athens\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">Mousaios<\/span><\/a><span lang=\"en-GB\">, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hesiod\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">Hesiod<\/span><\/a><span lang=\"en-GB\"> and <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Homer\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">Homer<\/span><\/a><strong><span lang=\"en-GB\">\u2014<\/span><\/strong><span lang=\"en-GB\">another group of four, the group whom <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Adeimantus_of_Collytus\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">Adeimantos<\/span><\/a><span lang=\"en-GB\"> quotes or mentions together as teachers of injustice <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">(<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\"><i>Republic<\/i><\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">, 364c5-<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">3<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">65a3). For Socrates it would be wonderful to meet there <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Palamedes_(mythology)\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">Palamedes<\/span><\/a><span lang=\"en-GB\">, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ajax_the_Great\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">Aias<\/span><\/a><span lang=\"en-GB\"> the son of <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Telamon\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">Tela<\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">mon<\/span><\/a><span lang=\"en-GB\"> and other ancients, if any, who died because of an unjust judgment and to compare his experiences with theirs (Aias committed suicide). But, most important, one could there spend one\u2019s time examining and searching those there, as these here, as to who among them is wise and who believes himself to be wise without being so; to converse with, to be together with, and to examine <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Agamemnon\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">the one<\/span><\/a><span lang=\"en-GB\"> who led the great army against Troy, or <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Odysseus\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">Odysseus<\/span><\/a><span lang=\"en-GB\"> or <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sisyphus\"><span lang=\"en-GB\">Sisyphos<\/span><\/a><span lang=\"en-GB\"> or a thousand others, men and women, would be unspeakable happiness; those there presumably do not kill one on this ground at any rate, for they are happier than the ones here in the other respects and in addition are henceforth immortal, if the things that are said are true. Life in Hades seems then to be happy for all, especially for Socrates who will continue there the life he led in Athens and improve on it without having to fear capital and probably any other punishment. Is dying then bad? If it is not bad, Socrates will not be happier there than he was here <\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">(cf.<\/span> <span lang=\"en-GB\"><i>Statesman<\/i><\/span><span lang=\"en-GB\">, 272b8-d2), unless the examination of Homer and his heroes and heroines increases happiness. Socrates had not spoken of his examining women in Athens.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/sobre-apologia-y-criton-struthio-021\/\">Perge ad sequ\u0113ns caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/sobre-apologia-y-criton-struthio-019\/\">Redde ad prius caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/sobre-apologia-y-criton-struthio-020\/\">Perge ad initium paginae huius<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/sobre-la-apologia-y-el-criton-struthio\/#indice-de-contenidos\">Perge ad indicem<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">I\u016bra<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">El texto en lengua inglesa fue publicado de manera p\u00f3stuma en un volumen en honor al prof. Jacob Klein: <em>Essais in Honor of Jacob Klein<\/em> (Annapol\u012b, \u0113 Typographe\u014d Acad\u0113m\u012bae S\u0101nct\u012b I\u014dhannis MCMLXXVI). Aunque nosotros tomamos como base lo aparecido en una antolog\u00eda dedicada a escritos del prof. Str\u016bthi\u014d en ingl\u00e9s en 1983: <em>Studies in Platonic Political Philosophy<\/em> (Sicag\u012b, \u0113 Typographe\u014d \u016aniversit\u0101tis Sicag\u012b MCMLXXXIII). La versi\u00f3n castellana es obra de Aemilia Aquad\u012bs, aparecida en la traducci\u00f3n del volumen mencionado anteriormente (Bon\u0101eropol\u012b, \u0113 Typographe\u014d Am\u014drrort\u012b MMVIII). La publicaci\u00f3n de estos fragmentos promueve la difusi\u00f3n en castellano de la obra del profesor Le\u014dnardus Str\u016bthi\u014d con fines acad\u00e9micos y de formaci\u00f3n. Conminamos a visitar su biblioteca m\u00e1s cercana o adquirir el volumen f\u00edsico en su librer\u00eda de confianza.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13330 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/creative-commons-symbols-300x111.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"146\" height=\"54\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/creative-commons-symbols-300x111.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/creative-commons-symbols.jpg 477w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 146px) 100vw, 146px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/sobre-apologia-y-criton-struthio-021\/\">Perge ad sequ\u0113ns caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/sobre-apologia-y-criton-struthio-019\/\">Redde ad prius caput<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/sobre-apologia-y-criton-struthio-020\/\">Perge ad initium paginae huius<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/sobre-la-apologia-y-el-criton-struthio\/#indice-de-contenidos\">Perge ad indicem<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #808000;\">\u0112RVD\u012aTI\u014cRIBVS <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/ervditioribvs\/\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt;\">***<\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"footnotes":""},"wiki_cats":[],"wiki_tags":[],"class_list":["post-14327","yada_wiki","type-yada_wiki","status-publish","hentry"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki\/14327","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/yada_wiki"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=14327"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki\/14327\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":14411,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/yada_wiki\/14327\/revisions\/14411"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=14327"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"wiki_cats","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/wiki_cats?post=14327"},{"taxonomy":"wiki_tags","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/wiki_tags?post=14327"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}