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{"id":1192,"date":"2023-03-30T21:51:07","date_gmt":"2023-03-30T21:51:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/?post_type=yada_wiki&#038;p=1192"},"modified":"2025-03-25T00:07:45","modified_gmt":"2025-03-25T00:07:45","slug":"gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00004","status":"publish","type":"yada_wiki","link":"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00004\/","title":{"rendered":"Gespr\u00e4che in der D\u00e4mmerung 00004"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Parte de:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><strong>Prefacio (Pr\u00f3logo) [Vorrede]<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[El comienzo del formarse uno]<\/span><\/p>\n\n<h1 lang=\"de-DE\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Gespr\u00e4che in Jena<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><strong>[4]<\/strong> Der Anfang der Bildung und des Herausarbeitens aus der Unmittelbarkeit des substantiellen Lebens wird immer damit [13] gemacht werden m\u00fcssen, Kenntnisse <i>allgemeiner<\/i> Grunds\u00e4tze und Gesichtspunkte zu erwerben, sich nur erst zu dem <i>Gedanken<\/i> der Sache <i>\u00fcberhaupt<\/i> heraufzuarbeiten, nicht weniger sie mit Gr\u00fcnden zu unterst\u00fctzen oder zu widerlegen, die konkrete und reiche F\u00fclle nach Bestimmtheiten aufzufassen und ordentlichen Bescheid und ernsthaftes Urteil \u00fcber sie zu erteilen zu wissen. Dieser Anfang der Bildung wird aber zun\u00e4chst dem Ernste des erf\u00fcllten Lebens Platz machen, der in die Erfahrung der Sache selbst hineinf\u00fchrt; und wenn auch dies noch hinzukommt, da\u00df der Ernst des Begriffs in ihre Tiefe steigt, so wird eine solche Kenntnis und Beurteilung In der Konversation ihre schickliche Stelle behalten.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00005\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00003\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Valencia<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">[El comienzo del formarse uno]<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><strong>[4]<\/strong> El comienzo de la formaci\u00f3n de uno y el laborioso arrancarse uno de la inmediatez de la vida sustancial [de la vida que uno es y en la que uno est\u00e1 embebecido] siempre habr\u00e1 de hacerse por v\u00eda de adquirir uno conocimientos de principios universales y de puntos de vista <i>generales<\/i> y universales, y s\u00f3lo a partir de ello levant\u00e1ndose uno laboriosamente al <i>pensamiento<\/i> de la cosa <i>en general<\/i> y, por supuesto, tratando de apoyarla o refutarla con razones, comprendiendo conforme a sus determinidades la concreta y rica pl\u00e9tora [<i>F<\/i><i>\u00fclle<\/i>] [que en la cosa empieza ofreci\u00e9ndose] y sabiendo dar cuenta ordenada y hacer un juicio serio acerca de la cosa. Pero esto que no es sino el comienzo del formarse uno, tendr\u00e1 a continuaci\u00f3n que hacer sitio a la seriedad de la vida en su plenitud, seriedad que es la que conduce dentro de la experiencia de la cosa misma, y cuando ello se a\u00f1ade, es decir, cuando resulta que la seriedad del concepto desciende a la profundidad de la cosa misma, aquel conocimiento y enjuiciamiento iniciales no es sino en la conversaci\u00f3n [es decir, no en el conocimiento cient\u00edfico] donde pueden seguir teniendo el lugar que les corresponde.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00005\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00003\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en Madrid<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><strong>[4]<\/strong> La formaci\u00f3n cultural, ese trabajo por arrancarse de la inmediatez de la vida substancial, habr\u00e1 de comenzarse siempre adquiriendo conocimientos acerca de principios y puntos de vista universales, para s\u00f3lo entonces elevarse laboriosamente hasta el pensamiento de la Cosa como tal, adem\u00e1s de sostenerla o refutarla con fundamentos, captar la plenitud rica y concreta por sus determinidades y saber proporcionar informaci\u00f3n apropiada y un juicio serio sobre ella. Pero este comienzo de la formaci\u00f3n cultural dejar\u00e1 primero sitio a la seriedad de la vida plena, seriedad que introduce en la experiencia de la Cosa misma; y si, a m\u00e1s de esto, la seriedad del concepto cala la Cosa en su profundidad, semejante conocimiento y juicio mantendr\u00e1n su lugar debido en la conversaci\u00f3n.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00005\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00003\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversations in Washington<\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\"><strong>[4]<\/strong> [4]<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"1\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007770000000000000000_1192\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_1192-1\">1<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_1192-1\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"1\">We kept the numeration given by the editor in the printed edition<\/span>The beginning both of cultural education and of working one\u2019s way out of the immediacy of substantial life must always be done by acquainting oneself with universal principles and points of view. Having done that, one can then work oneself up to the thought of what is at stake and, of no less importance, to giving reasons for supporting or refuting one\u2019s thoughts on those matters. One must grasp the subject matter\u2019s concrete and rich fullness according to its determinateness, and one must know both how to provide an orderly account of it and to render a serious judgment about it. However, the commencement of cultural education will first of all also have to carve out some space for the seriousness of a fulfilled life, which in turn leads one to the experience of the <em>crux of the matter<\/em>,<sup class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote \" data-mfn=\"2\" data-mfn-post-scope=\"00000000000007770000000000000000_1192\"><a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"  role=\"button\" aria-pressed=\"false\" aria-describedby=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_1192-2\">2<\/a><\/sup><span id=\"mfn-content-00000000000007770000000000000000_1192-2\" role=\"tooltip\" class=\"modern-footnotes-footnote__note\" tabindex=\"0\" data-mfn=\"2\"><i>die Erfahrung der Sache selbst<\/i><\/span> so that even when the seriousness of the concept does go into the depths of the crux of the matter, this kind of acquaintance and judgment will still retain its proper place in conversation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00005\/\">Siguiente p\u00e1rrafo<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00003\/\">P\u00e1rrafo anterior<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/home\/wiki\/gesprache-in-der-dammerung-00000\/\">Ir al \u00edndice<\/a><\/p>\n<h1 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;\">Conversaciones en el <em>Atrium<\/em><\/span><\/h1>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><strong>EN CONSTRVCCION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #993300;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-7044\" src=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"242\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-242x300.jpg 242w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-827x1024.jpg 827w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-768x951.jpg 768w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church-300x371.jpg 300w, https:\/\/atriumphilosophicum.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Construction_of_a_church.jpg 1018w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 242px) 100vw, 242px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; 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